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1998-06-19 16:23Ernesto Ikerd Re: (idm) vinyl
1998-06-19 21:22Gonzi Merchan Re: (idm) vinyl
└─ 1998-06-19 18:12GamePrg. Re: (idm) vinyl
└─ 1998-06-19 23:20foo chicken Re: (idm) vinyl
└─ 1998-06-19 20:57GamePrg. Re: (idm) vinyl
└─ 1998-06-20 01:31foo chicken making an IDM FAQ (was Re: (idm) vinyl)
1998-06-20 05:40andrew johnny shay (idm) FAQ
└─ 1998-06-23 19:57Mark Kolmar Re: (idm) Miles vs. Laswell
└─ 1998-06-23 20:21Marc Weidenbaum Re: (idm) Miles vs. Laswell
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1998-06-19 16:23Ernesto Ikerd.. > now, don't get me wrong, i'm not against vinyl...i own several > myself, but i just f
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quoted 4 lines now, don't get me wrong, i'm not against vinyl...i own several> now, don't get me wrong, i'm not against vinyl...i own several > myself, but i just find that i listen to my CDs alot more than > vinyl... >
Many people seem to think vinyl sounds better since the dynamic range of cds @ 44khz is only 20Hz-22,000 Hz. A vinyl record with a pure analog amplifier (especially a tube-amp) produces sound with many VERY subtle frequency overtones outside of this range often referred to as 'warmth' or 'brightness'. Its noticable only to the most sophisticated of listeners and left unchecked provides the logic Hi-end audiophiles use to justify a non-CD analog-vinyl setup that can easily run over $50,000 to $200,000.. Of course these are the same people who lay their carpet down in their house so the warp and weft of the carpet stitchings are parallel to direction of the sound coming out of their $90,000 speakers and believe that $50/piece ceramic hockey pucks left around the room increase the "fullness" of the sound, so keep that in mind. 95% of humans cant hear above 20,000Hz anyway so its 6 of one and a half dozen of the other concerning quality. I buy vinyl mostly because I have no alternative ( AFX HABs, old 45s, anything on SKAM etc) and if it needs to go with me Ill burn it to CD or DAT or 8-track cassette or Edison-wax cylinder etc... I mix very little and work on my computer most of the time so flipping records gets old when im trying to work, leaving CDs to provide 80% of my entertainment ernie Ernesto Ikerd, (817) 763-4795 Company Graphics, Dept 17 Lockheed Martin Tactical Aircaft Systems Fort Worth, Texas
1998-06-19 21:22Gonzi MerchanSHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! WE ARE NOT GOING ALL OVER THIS AGAIN. NEW PEOPLE CHECK
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SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! WE ARE NOT GOING ALL OVER THIS AGAIN. NEW PEOPLE CHECK THE ARCHIVES FOR EVERYTHING YOU COULD POSSIBLY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT VIYNL VS. CD'S. I know this is harsh, but I am speaking for hundreeds of people right now. thank you. gonzi.
1998-06-19 18:12GamePrg.On Friday, 19-Jun-98, Gonzi Merchan wrote [about Re: (idm) vinyl]: >SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT
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On Friday, 19-Jun-98, Gonzi Merchan wrote [about Re: (idm) vinyl]:
quoted 1 line SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP!>SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP!
quoted 2 lines WE ARE NOT GOING ALL OVER THIS AGAIN. NEW PEOPLE CHECK THE ARCHIVES FOR>WE ARE NOT GOING ALL OVER THIS AGAIN. NEW PEOPLE CHECK THE ARCHIVES FOR >EVERYTHING YOU COULD POSSIBLY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT VIYNL VS. CD'S.
yep.. well or about 100 of the other threads that reoccur on here every few months __ __\ \ / /_\ \ 1cQ<->uIN \_____/ 1.3777993 "..in whatever you do, if you can't break new ground, what's the point?" - James Cameron
1998-06-19 23:20foo chickenI think it could be time for an IDM FAQ. Any volunteers? ;) I may attempt such an endeavor
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Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:20:57 -0700 (PDT)
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I think it could be time for an IDM FAQ. Any volunteers? ;) I may attempt such an endeavor, but yipes. What an undertaking, I don't know if I have time. BTW, where does the voice on papua new guinea come from? On Fri, 19 June 1998, at 18:12:56, GamePrg. wrote:
quoted 8 lines On Friday, 19-Jun-98, Gonzi Merchan wrote [about Re: (idm) vinyl]:> On Friday, 19-Jun-98, Gonzi Merchan wrote [about Re: (idm) vinyl]: > >SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! > > >WE ARE NOT GOING ALL OVER THIS AGAIN. NEW PEOPLE CHECK THE ARCHIVES FOR > >EVERYTHING YOU COULD POSSIBLY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT VIYNL VS. CD'S. > > yep.. well or about 100 of the other threads that reoccur on here every few > months
1998-06-19 20:57GamePrg.On Friday, 19-Jun-98, foo chicken wrote [about Re: (idm) vinyl]: >I think it could be time
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On Friday, 19-Jun-98, foo chicken wrote [about Re: (idm) vinyl]:
quoted 4 lines I think it could be time for an IDM FAQ.>I think it could be time for an IDM FAQ. >Any volunteers? ;) >I may attempt such an endeavor, but yipes. >What an undertaking, I don't know if I have time.
I would be willing to do it.. but I dunno where to start.. maybe everyone can send some suggestions of all the things that should be in the FAQ. __ __\ \ / /_\ \ 1cQ<->uIN \_____/ 1.3777993 "..in whatever you do, if you can't break new ground, what's the point?" - James Cameron
1998-06-20 01:31foo chickenbasically, I'd do it like this: go through the entire IDM archive, and pull out the intere
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basically, I'd do it like this: go through the entire IDM archive, and pull out the interested bits. make the following sections in the faq: 1) The "I" in IDM would basically re-iterate the list welcome message. 2) history the history of IDM. certainly not definitive by any means, but hopefully to become the best history of electronic music. newcomers to the list should know who kraftwerk is (I didn't), and other "important stuff" pertaining to our history. 3) recurring threads, religious wars, stuff NOT to post on vinyl vs. cd would go here 4) labels sections on warp, rephlex, skam, and other godly labels worthy of worship ;) 5) artists sections on ae (of course), black dog, atom heart, and other artists this would help on "is artist-a also artist-b?" and who is really behind artist-a? 6) essentials all the top albums, artists and "songs that make you cry" lists would go here. would include the official results of IDM polls as well as informal queries. this is last, because it should be read last. 7) other resources websites, zines, reviews, other mailing lists, etc There would be no Aphex Twin in the artists section, as he has his own faq, which would just be mentioned in place. yes, it is a huge undertaking. is it worth it? probably. I'm willing to help, as I wouldn't mind reading the archives The only way to make the history part work is if we all team up. Otherwise, it'll be His-Story :) (I say "his" because of history. its a pun. I didn't make it up) --brett On Fri, 19 June 1998, at 20:57:18, GamePrg. wrote:
quoted 4 lines I would be willing to do it..> I would be willing to do it.. > > but I dunno where to start.. maybe everyone can send some suggestions of > all the things that should be in the FAQ.
1998-06-20 05:40andrew johnny shay> I would be willing to do it.. > > but I dunno where to start.. maybe everyone can send s
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quoted 4 lines I would be willing to do it..> I would be willing to do it.. > > but I dunno where to start.. maybe everyone can send some suggestions of > all the things that should be in the FAQ.
Well it's a bit simpler if you consider the definition of FAQ: Take the threads that we see again and again ad nauseum (cd vs. vinyl, what is IDM/IDM is pretentious/etc. etc.) and include various views on these topics so that they don't come up too often on the list. A html version could be set up wherein we could include links to relevant threads in the archives, etc. The html version could also have loads of trainspotter junk such as links to discographies. If a webpage is set up, I'd be willing to help with design/writing/ html. Well Teep how does this look from a list admin standpoint? Would there be space for a FAQ @ hyperreal? Recent IDM bits: Saw Tortiose in Chicago at the Metro; they put on a very good show. They went through almost all of TNT, with the essentials from Millions... and the s/t. It seemed a bit disjointed at times, but it remained interesting throughout, and they hit improvisational highs were they really grooved. Djed as the final encore, beautiful. They also shot recorded snippits of applause and crowd noise back out through the speakers, which was fresh. Farmers Manual. Markant -- delightful majestic lil melodies. This may become a debate of taste, which i distrust entirely, but: does anyone have any thoughts on the semi-recent Laswell Miles remix project? Is it sacrilege or what? ta. andy. -- andrew johnny shay (bobtj@tekka.wwa.com, website soon) can't catch soluble fishes. np:: john zorn "archery" 261-> magical fun fun land. free art.
1998-06-23 19:57Mark Kolmar> does anyone have any thoughts on the semi-recent Laswell Miles remix > project? Is it sa
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Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:57:48 -0500 (CDT)
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quoted 2 lines does anyone have any thoughts on the semi-recent Laswell Miles remix> does anyone have any thoughts on the semi-recent Laswell Miles remix > project? Is it sacrilege or what?
I heard some of this at a friend's place recently. It is pretty well within the spirit of the original recordings, but I sincerely hope Laswell's mix will not be anyone's substitute for the original albums. --Mark __ <http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome> < MPEG & RA audio clips > Forthcoming CD SENSELESS on Mindfield Records MINDCD03 Cathartium 14 "The electricity is no better off than on."
1998-06-23 20:21Marc WeidenbaumI thought there's some good work on it, but ultimately I was fairly disappointed with how
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Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:21:16 -0700 (PDT)
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I thought there's some good work on it, but ultimately I was fairly disappointed with how close it kept to the originals. It's great to hear all that material sewn into a new whole, but I think the remixes (King Britt's in particular) achieve what I was hoping for more than the album does. On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Mark Kolmar wrote:
quoted 16 lines does anyone have any thoughts on the semi-recent Laswell Miles remix> > does anyone have any thoughts on the semi-recent Laswell Miles remix > > project? Is it sacrilege or what? > > I heard some of this at a friend's place recently. It is pretty well > within the spirit of the original recordings, but I sincerely hope > Laswell's mix will not be anyone's substitute for the original albums. > > --Mark > > __ <http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome> < MPEG & RA audio clips > > Forthcoming CD SENSELESS on Mindfield Records MINDCD03 Cathartium 14 > > "The electricity is no better off than on." > > >