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1998-04-10 19:25Andrew Minett (idm) Analogue dreams full of Genre-speak
├─ 1998-04-10 19:36Lance C. McGannon Re: (idm) Analogue dreams full of Genre-speak
├─ 1998-04-10 19:37Aran M. Parillo Re: (idm) Analogue dreams full of Genre-speak
└─ 1998-04-10 20:30Jon Logan Re: (idm) Analogue dreams full of Genre-speak
└─ 1998-04-10 20:59Jon Logan Re: (idm) Analogue dreams full of Genre-speak
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1998-04-10 19:25Andrew MinettPost-Genre Discussion: All of the ongoing talk about genres on the list has prompted me to
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Post-Genre Discussion: All of the ongoing talk about genres on the list has prompted me to post my thoughts about the issue. I must note, however, that Terre Thaemlitz's new 'G.R.R.L.' (Comatonse/Caipirinha) release is the true inspiration behind it all. Terre, whom I've only discovered in the past couple weeks, takes genre noodling/composing to the next post-modern level. First the packaging is brilliant. A white cover with the title, G.R.R.L., in big black bold letters and below, a diagram showing sillohuettes of a pink man and a blue woman, both colours converging in the centre with a purple man/woman? (Before continuing I will note the well-known fact that Terre is a transvestite and has been for years. Much of the conceptual thinking of his cd's clearly coincides with his lifestyle.) The songs on G.R.R.L. are literally charted into tongue-in-cheek genre monikers like: Abstract Drum & Bass; '80s Chicago; and my favourite, Improvisational Lounge! Some are even applied with two genre descriptors. The impression I get, and this is somewhat influenced by Terre's excellent liner notes--a very funny mix of serious theory and philosophy--(Examples: "G.R.R.L. embraces Space Jam as a powerful deconstruction of the cultural fabrication of desire, as exemplified by its lackluster appeal despite shameless over-financing and over-promotion" and "G.R.R.L. assures the audience that each track is produced with 110% cyncerity") is that Terre maligns genres but sees their purpose in the marketplace. Our society is so bloody used to the three second sound-bite that instead of just listening to a record we listen to it beforehand through media-influenced notions of what to expect. And when the sound isn't conforming to those expectations it is often dismissed as poor. I for one do not adhere to this ideology (If I did, why would I have bought the G.R.R.L. album). Unfortunately many people still do. It really sucks that a lot of electronic music is 'this genre' or 'that genre' and not merely music. Whatever the truth of the situation, I believe that Terre is the shit. Having recently had the chance to hear his 'Couture Cosmetique' album (if you like your ambient closer to the subliminal, check this album out), and read its very well-reasoned and conceived liner-notes I really hope that more idm-style producers, or musicians in general are as deep and serious about their music. I know of a few myself: DJ Spooky, Panasonic, Autechre, and Nonplace Urban Field/Bernd Friedmann. Well those are my thoughts; feel free to comment/flame/drink/smoke/classify/opinionate/smile : ) Digression of Sorts: I also listen to music which clearly contains less introspection than the above, but really when it comes down to it, this stuff is mostly filler. Mini-Review: Picked up Richie Hawtin's Concept:96 (M_nus/Plus 8) yesterday and having listened to it 5 times through already wish I hadn't passed up on those Concept 12"s I saw all lonely in the bins last year. The 808 and what little else used shouldn't be able to create the cd's breadth of sound. Expert tweaking?? Who cares! Now I feverishly await the arrival of the new Plastikman album (name?). I say with confidence that Concept:96 is a must-buy for any Plastikman fan, minimal-techno devotee, or liker of fine music! BTW, if you are holding off because you own the 12"s: don't. The shop-owner informs me that she thinks the cd is a totally different, and welcome, experience to the vinyl releases (of which she owns all twelve). ++Genre-based recommendation included at no-cost to the reader++ @nd..(..)..."purveyor of plentiful parentheses" np: music in my head ######=============^=============###### Andrew Minett, resident pusher of FREAKONESEES Floating out of London, ON on 94.7 FM Every Wed. from 2 to 6:30 a.m. tune in on the web @ http://www.usc.uwo.ca/chrw/main/chrw.ram "It's just like a right strange dimension." -Richard D. James
1998-04-10 19:36Lance C. McGannonAt 03:25 PM 4/10/98 -0400, you wrote: > >Mini-Review: >Picked up Richie Hawtin's Concept:9
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Re: (idm) Analogue dreams full of Genre-speak
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At 03:25 PM 4/10/98 -0400, you wrote:
quoted 6 lines Mini-Review:> >Mini-Review: >Picked up Richie Hawtin's Concept:96 (M_nus/Plus 8) yesterday and having >listened to it 5 times through already wish I hadn't passed up on those >Concept 12"s I saw all lonely in the bins last year. The 808 and what >little else used shouldn't be able to create the cd's breadth of sound.
quoted 2 lines Expert tweaking?? Who cares! Now I feverishly await the arrival of the new>Expert tweaking?? Who cares! Now I feverishly await the arrival of the new >Plastikman album (name?).
The name of the new album is CONSUMED. Due out in May.
quoted 6 lines I say with confidence that Concept:96 is a>I say with confidence that Concept:96 is a >must-buy for any Plastikman fan, minimal-techno devotee, or liker of fine >music! BTW, if you are holding off because you own the 12"s: don't. The >shop-owner informs me that she thinks the cd is a totally different, and >welcome, experience to the vinyl releases (of which she owns all twelve). >
All but two tracks on the cd were previously released on the 12 concept records released in 96-97. -->-Lance--- p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states
1998-04-10 19:37Aran M. ParilloOn Fri, 10 Apr 1998, Andrew Minett wrote: > The songs on G.R.R.L. are literally charted in
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On Fri, 10 Apr 1998, Andrew Minett wrote:
quoted 1 line The songs on G.R.R.L. are literally charted into tongue-in-cheek genre> The songs on G.R.R.L. are literally charted into tongue-in-cheek genre
hehehe funny you mentioned "tounge-in-cheek" ...this is a review I did for urb back in June 1997. Terre Thaemlitz G.R.R.L. (Comatonse/US) EXPERIMENTAL What does one of the most notorious contemporary ambient producers do in the face of a 'market' which demands releases fall in line with rigid production categories? He plants his tongue firmly in cheek and rhythmically lets loose the juice. G.R.R.L. is decked out head to toe in the latest genre fashions; drum and bass, minimal techno, deep house, techxotica and electrocynicism. What gives Terre such an antagonistic license to ill? Quite simply G.R.R.L., skill. (Teep)
1998-04-10 20:30Jon LoganThere was a very interesting and emotional thread about Terre and his philosopies/lack the
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Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:30:57 -0700
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There was a very interesting and emotional thread about Terre and his philosopies/lack thereof that got a response from Mr. thaemlitz himself. I myself, upon careful reconsideration of his writing, find him bombastic and incomprehensible. I like his music, tho. At 3:25 PM -0400 4/10/98, Andrew Minett wrote:
quoted 66 lines Post-Genre Discussion:>Post-Genre Discussion: >All of the ongoing talk about genres on the list has prompted me to post my >thoughts about the issue. I must note, however, that Terre Thaemlitz's new >'G.R.R.L.' (Comatonse/Caipirinha) release is the true inspiration behind it >all. Terre, whom I've only discovered in the past couple weeks, takes genre >noodling/composing to the next post-modern level. First the packaging is >brilliant. A white cover with the title, G.R.R.L., in big black bold >letters and below, a diagram showing sillohuettes of a pink man and a blue >woman, both colours converging in the centre with a purple man/woman? >(Before continuing I will note the well-known fact that Terre is a >transvestite and has been for years. Much of the conceptual thinking of his >cd's clearly coincides with his lifestyle.) >The songs on G.R.R.L. are literally charted into tongue-in-cheek genre >monikers like: Abstract Drum & Bass; '80s Chicago; and my favourite, >Improvisational Lounge! Some are even applied with two genre descriptors. >The impression I get, and this is somewhat influenced by Terre's excellent >liner notes--a very funny mix of serious theory and philosophy--(Examples: >"G.R.R.L. embraces Space Jam as a powerful deconstruction of the cultural >fabrication of desire, as exemplified by its lackluster appeal despite >shameless over-financing and over-promotion" and "G.R.R.L. assures the >audience that each track is produced with 110% cyncerity") is that Terre >maligns genres but sees their purpose in the marketplace. Our society is so >bloody used to the three second sound-bite that instead of just listening to >a record we listen to it beforehand through media-influenced notions of what >to expect. And when the sound isn't conforming to those expectations it is >often dismissed as poor. >I for one do not adhere to this ideology (If I did, why would I have bought >the G.R.R.L. album). Unfortunately many people still do. It really sucks >that a lot of electronic music is 'this genre' or 'that genre' and not >merely music. Whatever the truth of the situation, I believe that Terre is >the shit. Having recently had the chance to hear his 'Couture Cosmetique' >album (if you like your ambient closer to the subliminal, check this album >out), and read its very well-reasoned and conceived liner-notes I really >hope that more idm-style producers, or musicians in general are as deep and >serious about their music. I know of a few myself: DJ Spooky, Panasonic, >Autechre, and Nonplace Urban Field/Bernd Friedmann. Well those are my >thoughts; feel free to comment/flame/drink/smoke/classify/opinionate/smile >: ) > >Digression of Sorts: >I also listen to music which clearly contains less introspection than the >above, but really when it comes down to it, this stuff is mostly filler. > >Mini-Review: >Picked up Richie Hawtin's Concept:96 (M_nus/Plus 8) yesterday and having >listened to it 5 times through already wish I hadn't passed up on those >Concept 12"s I saw all lonely in the bins last year. The 808 and what >little else used shouldn't be able to create the cd's breadth of sound. >Expert tweaking?? Who cares! Now I feverishly await the arrival of the new >Plastikman album (name?). I say with confidence that Concept:96 is a >must-buy for any Plastikman fan, minimal-techno devotee, or liker of fine >music! BTW, if you are holding off because you own the 12"s: don't. The >shop-owner informs me that she thinks the cd is a totally different, and >welcome, experience to the vinyl releases (of which she owns all twelve). >++Genre-based recommendation included at no-cost to the reader++ > >@nd..(..)..."purveyor of plentiful parentheses" >np: music in my head > >######=============^=============###### >Andrew Minett, resident pusher of FREAKONESEES >Floating out of London, ON on 94.7 FM >Every Wed. from 2 to 6:30 a.m. >tune in on the web @ http://www.usc.uwo.ca/chrw/main/chrw.ram >"It's just like a right strange dimension." > -Richard D. James
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1998-04-10 20:59Jon Loganwoops, that thread was on idm about 2-3 months ago. You could probably find it in the hype
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Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:59:24 -0700
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Re: (idm) Analogue dreams full of Genre-speak
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woops, that thread was on idm about 2-3 months ago. You could probably find it in the hyperreal archives. At 1:30 PM -0700 4/10/98, Jon Logan wrote:
quoted 7 lines There was a very interesting and emotional thread about Terre and his>There was a very interesting and emotional thread about Terre and his >philosopies/lack thereof that got a response from Mr. thaemlitz himself. I >myself, upon careful reconsideration of his writing, find him bombastic and >incomprehensible. I like his music, tho. > > >
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