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1998-04-06 16:46audio//brian Re: (idm) mu-Ziq - Lunatic Harness - Review
└─ 1998-04-06 17:55Aran M. Parillo Re: (idm) mu-Ziq - Lunatic Harness - Review
└─ 1998-04-06 18:21Random Junk Re: (idm) mu-Ziq - Lunatic Harness - Review
1998-04-06 17:04Brother Alphabet (idm) mu-Ziq - Lunatic Harness - Review
1998-04-06 17:23Shane Beers Re: (idm) mu-Ziq - Lunatic Harness - Review
└─ 1998-04-06 17:26Brother Alphabet Re: (idm) mu-Ziq - Lunatic Harness - Review
└─ 1998-04-06 17:32Lance C. McGannon Re: (idm) mu-Ziq - Lunatic Harness - Review
└─ 1998-04-06 19:18jif Re: (idm) mu-Ziq - Lunatic Harness - Review
1998-04-07 07:04Che Re: (idm) mu-Ziq - Lunatic Harness - Review
1998-04-13 03:06NobuoUmtsu Re: (idm) mu-Ziq - Lunatic Harness - Review
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1998-04-06 16:46audio//brianAt 01:23 PM 4/6/98 -0400, you wrote: >ok. whoever dosen't have Lunatic Harness, or has not
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At 01:23 PM 4/6/98 -0400, you wrote:
quoted 4 lines ok. whoever dosen't have Lunatic Harness, or has not read a review of it is>ok. whoever dosen't have Lunatic Harness, or has not read a review of it is >IDM impaired. i like to see this kind of *factual* posting, though, so >thanks for that. lets see some more reviews, all. preferably something >released in 98, though.
not to start a fight now, but.... i personally do like seeing reviews of older albums. i think it's a good way to gauge how others are reacting to albums that you already own. i especially don't have a problem with older reviews when they are well written and thought out; as the review in question was. thanks for the review, and don't keep them to yourself...
1998-04-06 17:55Aran M. ParilloOn Mon, 6 Apr 1998, audio//brian wrote: > not to start a fight now, but.... > > i personal
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On Mon, 6 Apr 1998, audio//brian wrote:
quoted 6 lines not to start a fight now, but....> not to start a fight now, but.... > > i personally do like seeing reviews of older albums. i think it's a > good way to gauge how others are reacting to albums that you already > own. i especially don't have a problem with older reviews when they > are well written and thought out; as the review in question was.
Just for the record, I don't own Lunatic Harness, I have never read a review of it and furthermore, I appreciated the review of it very much and am IDM-owner, not IDM-impaired. If someone wants to review an old Herbie Hancock record (don't tempt me!) for IDM, that's brilliant, appreciated, and very IDM worthy. If anyone needs to take issue with the content of this mailing list, please use this address -> idm-owner@hyperreal.org Thanks! Teep np: moment of truth - gang starr
1998-04-06 18:21Random JunkAran M. Parillo wrote this: > If someone wants to review an old Herbie Hancock record (don
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Aran M. Parillo wrote this:
quoted 2 lines If someone wants to review an old Herbie Hancock record (don't tempt me!)> If someone wants to review an old Herbie Hancock record (don't tempt me!) > for IDM, that's brilliant, appreciated, and very IDM worthy.
the obvious choice would be "future shock" (or "headhunters") but i'm gonna forgo that and pick one of my personal faves: "secrets". first, the back cover photo - herbie with shirt off, massive 'fro, pointy beard, walking on a beach. ooooh, damn, i want a picture of me like that on one of my records some day. second, notable guest musician: ray parker jr, guy famous for bringing the "ghostbusters" theme to us. third, recorded in San Francisco, home of cool. the music: "Doin It" starts off with the funkiest grindy wah guitar lick you ever heard, replete with vocodered "DOIN IT" punctuation. eventually turns into full on boogie funk workout. all it needs to be a big beat hit is an unvarying drum loop sloppily pasted on, and a big 909 snare roll buildup. add lawsuit, stir to taste. "People Music" is a mellow arp dominated piece that sounds like background music to an episode of Barney Miller. today, you can hear people like muziq doing lo-fi casiotone remakes of stuff like this. "Spider" has this awesome synced oscillator buzz thing and some cool chase movie soundtrack pace. "Sansho Shima" is seriously mental jazz funk, way out of control. Much more bebop than the rest of this album. **FAST** damned awesome. there's so much more to say about this brilliant album (one of those "nice price" discs so you have NO EXCUSE not to own it) but my back really hurts. -- Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Plan: Eat right, exercise regularly, die anyway.
1998-04-06 17:04Brother AlphabetReview - mu-Ziq: 'Lunatic Harness' ---------------------------------- Trax: 1. Brace Yours
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Review - mu-Ziq: 'Lunatic Harness' ---------------------------------- Trax: 1. Brace Yourself Jason (6:22) Reminds me of some of the stuff on RDJ's RDJ album, but in a good way. Best aspects are the droning synth sweeps and beat structure. I could probably do without the up-front plinking and the rubber-band bassline. I could also do without the James Brown-ish samples toward the end. Overall, a decent track with around a 7/10 numerical score on the 'Alphabet Scale' (of which no one has ever heard.) 2. Hasty Boom Alert (5:15) Very nice build-up. Beat style is definitely at least influenced by RDJ and a selection of others. More attention to melodic structure than many recent RDJ releases, though. Nice synth interlude in the middle. Takes me back to the good ol days of Newcleus. I like the way the track tapers off slowly, with a re-entry of hip-hop-like beats at the very last. 8/10. 3. Mushroom Compost (3:19) A much more contemplative attitude here. Layers are much more effective, beats are on the same level as the various synth layers. Great effects on the beats about halfway through. The in-and-out peek-a-beats are still in effect, but well-used. 8/10. 4. Blainville (3:40) Rolling, pulsating effect at intro, plink beats, nice bass drum though. Heavy effects on high-pitched pings - Vibraphone-like melody makes me want to say 'La la la la la' and skip through a park, but it is easily melded with the rest with the intro of the next synth layer. 7/10. 5. Lunatic Harness (6:05) This is one of my favorite tracks. Features wicked 'human beat box' samples. Very funny and very smooth at the same time. Seriously determined beats are also a plus. Sudden break to synth rhythm is also good. One negative is second wave of synth, but it doesn't last too long...Additional effects arrive and make up for it. Especially the string/harp-like layer with the echo and the sweeping string/violin in the distance. At the halfway point, we are in full effect with a very smiley chaos. By the end, the beat box samples return and the video-arcade synth sounds don't seem to matter all that much. 9/10. 6. Approaching Menace (7:01) Alien/Space like. Echo cymbals, then a slight taste of noisy beats. A grinding synth makes itself known. Then, beats return to hang around and I become very happy. Calms down a bit around halfway, but it was only kidding. Continues with fervor toward the end. various rolls and synth-drum batches do very well. Calms down again toward the end, but again, it was just to lull us into a false sense of relaxation. And then, my favorite ending, the sudden drop-off. 10/10. 7. My Little Beautiful (5:39) Eek. Starts off like a gospel ballad. Somewhere along the way where Amy Grant would have started singing, some big metallic beats arrive. Praise the Lord. That vibra-synth plink-poop seems to be ever-present on this CD. I can let it slide repeatedly, though. What I can't forgive as easily is the 1986 Casio drum pad tom-drums complete with echo. 7/10. 8. Secret Stair Pt. 1 (4:16) Synth layers to start. Gradual build from dark, medieval feel to a rounded, thoughtful feel. Beats fade in. Same beats, sadly, from most of the previous tracks. I wonder if mu-Ziq is not taking the same beat structure and seeing how many various different treatments can be applied. On the up-side, this particular treatment sounds really good. A piano layer comes in in the middle, and the synth mass at the center continues to progress rather than to repeat itself. 8/10. 9. Secret Stair Pt. 2 (5:00) Part 1 and Part 2 are not mixed together, which is good. Especially since part 2 seems to be only part 2 in numerical sequence. This track is also one of the better on the CD. Wide open upper atmosphere, with a snapping snare throughout, rolls and other seemingly predominant effects are minimized or subdued. Melodic form is well presented. I wish this track was longer. Rolling 'acid' rhythm comes from underneath toward the end, very nice. 10/10. 10. Wannabe (6:49) Nice samples here. Return of the alien/space synths. Very creepy and beautiful. Chilling, even. Looped mechanical sample is excellently intertwined. Waves of psychotic distortion seem like nails on chalkboard magnified and slowed down drastically, but they aren't I wouldn't think, I just keep getting the shivers up my spine. A spooky vocal loop gurgles to the surface. 'Wanna be your lover baby, I don't wanna be your friend'. This is a most whooparse track. Beats came out of somewhere, I didn't even notice, which is another indication of the goodness of this track. Ends with the vocal loop fading into echo. 10/10 11. Catkin and Teasel (4:35) Disjointed flute/synth layers at intro. Hip-hop beats. And, of course, what mu-Ziq track would be complete without the same beats from elsehwere on the CD? It wouldn't be so bad if -only- mu-Ziq made use of that beat structure, but as it stands I have heard the same drum riffs from too many others. Returns momentarily to the hip-hop beats while the flute/synth disjoints rejoin. Piano can be heard in the distance. Recorder/Pan flute sounds out of whack or at least out of place. Toward the end, we have more RDJesque chaos. 7/10. 12. London (6:11) String/synth intro, with high-pitched chimes. Spaced synth layers and effects come and go. Chilling hollow synths arrive, nice echo. Then, somebody starts playing Ventolin. Oh, nope, it's still mu-Ziq. Thankfully, that doesn't last long and we return to originality, for a little while anyway. The 'ventolin' loop comes back in. Maybe RDJ has given himself so many names that he is now every group in the industry. It's a good thing I like RDJ's stuff (on the whole) or I'd hate half the stuff that comes out these days. 7/10. 13. Midwinter Log (6:38) Starts off nicely. The obligatory snare roll is quietly playing in the background. Synth loop is nice, though. It seems that mu-Ziq's best traits are its synth arrangements. At this point, the beats are mostly canned. This track doesn't do much more for me than the rest of them. 7/10. Overall score: 8/10 Comments: This CD, while not having any seriously bad qualities still did not bring me anything I hadn't really heard before. It did have some strong tracks, but if I rated this release against other from the genre, I would score it much lower. When compared to those who had more to do with originating the beat structures throughout, this CD would score below average. For example, if placed against Autechre, even earlier releases like Incunablula and other material from the Artifical Intelligence series, and especially if compared to Tri-Repitae, this particular mu-Ziq CD would not fare well. Also, pick an RDJ release at random, other than the ambient work, and you will hear a much more well-put together group of music than mu-Ziq has offered on this CD. Of course, it is unfair to make such comparisons in most cases, but when the styles are so very similar, what other course is there to take? Submitted 4/6/98. Comments: Mail jah10@ra.msstate.edu -=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=- "I paint what I think, not what I see..." - Pablo Picasso "You're not the boss of me!..." - J. A. Hutto (Pre age 3) http://www2.msstate.edu/~jah10 + jah10@ra.msstate.edu
1998-04-06 17:23Shane Beersok. whoever dosen't have Lunatic Harness, or has not read a review of it is IDM impaired.
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ok. whoever dosen't have Lunatic Harness, or has not read a review of it is IDM impaired. i like to see this kind of *factual* posting, though, so thanks for that. lets see some more reviews, all. preferably something released in 98, though. Shane
1998-04-06 17:26Brother AlphabetMy Apologies. I live in an IDM impaired environment. My local music store very rarely gets
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My Apologies. I live in an IDM impaired environment. My local music store very rarely gets anything worth buying, there are no cities within a 3 hour drive, I have no credit card and can't buy online. Whee, life is good. I'll keep my reviews to myself, then. -=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=- "I paint what I think, not what I see..." - Pablo Picasso "You're not the boss of me!..." - J. A. Hutto (Pre age 3) http://www2.msstate.edu/~jah10 + jah10@ra.msstate.edu
1998-04-06 17:32Lance C. McGannonAt 12:26 PM 4/6/98 -0500, you wrote: > >My Apologies. I live in an IDM impaired environmen
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At 12:26 PM 4/6/98 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 6 lines My Apologies. I live in an IDM impaired environment.> >My Apologies. I live in an IDM impaired environment. >My local music store very rarely gets anything worth buying, there are no >cities within a 3 hour drive, I have no credit card and can't buy online. >Whee, life is good. >
no apologies necessary. i actually liked your reivew and it didn't bother me that the record is an older release. i felt that shane was out-of-line for his criticism.
quoted 2 lines I'll keep my reviews to myself, then.>I'll keep my reviews to myself, then. >
please don't. the more reviews the better. -->-Lance--- p.o. box 450715 westlake, ohio 44145 united states
1998-04-06 19:18jifnot to mention that the record is just coming out domestically on virgin music here in can
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not to mention that the record is just coming out domestically on virgin music here in canada jif ------------------------------------------------------------ FS/FT: tons of early rephlex/warp/sabotage and other labels, for sale or trade at http://www.comnet.ca/~se2/.
1998-04-07 07:04CheAt 01:23 PM 4/6/98 -0400, Shane Beers wrote: >ok. whoever dosen't have Lunatic Harness, or
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At 01:23 PM 4/6/98 -0400, Shane Beers wrote:
quoted 2 lines ok. whoever dosen't have Lunatic Harness, or has not read a review of it is>ok. whoever dosen't have Lunatic Harness, or has not read a review of it is >IDM impaired.
With so many IDM artists who bat 1.000 (that's 100% for non-Americans), it's hard for me to give the time of day to, much less $20 dollars for, an album from a guy as inconsistant as Mr. Paradinas. Che
1998-04-13 03:06NobuoUmtsuIn a message dated 98-04-06 13:33:47 EDT, you write: > no apologies necessary. i actually
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In a message dated 98-04-06 13:33:47 EDT, you write:
quoted 3 lines no apologies necessary. i actually liked your reivew and it> no apologies necessary. i actually liked your reivew and it > didn't bother me that the record is an older release. i felt that > shane was out-of-line for his criticism.
Yeah I agree totally, I like to hear everybody's opinion on everything. I think reviews *period* are interesting to read. -=Aaron