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quoted 4 lines other goooood jf releases: part one's prelude to cycle 6, anything by Andre

>other goooood jf releases: part one's prelude to cycle 6, anything by Andre >Gurov (Vadim himself). if you want someone to tape ussr rep, make sure its >the uk edition. the north american version has like half the samples >(copyright etc.)

Is this so? Bother, perhaps someone could assist me in finding the UK edition (how might one discern it from the US edition anyway?) As for the Gurov recommendation, the 2 albums are good...but not nearly as "abstract" or interesting as his work as "DJ Vadim". More straight beats and cuts, lacks a bit of the oddness that made me enjoy _USSR Repetoire_ so much. Also in response to the original question searching for a Jazz Fudge compilation: There is _Organized Sound_ which is ok, or even better is _Sculptured and Broken Sound_ which was compiled by JF and features many Jazz Fudge and Soup Disc artists. Much better compilation than _OS_ in my opinion. (BTW--The new Ruff Neck Piano is supposed to feature some good remixes, including one by DJ Vadim. Haven't heard it yet, but hopefully it'll show up in tomorrow's mail.) --- Peace Hugs and Unity, Jason J. Tar Vampire Rodent Productions http://pilot.msu.edu/user/tarjason/VRodents.htm Featuring: Vampire Rodents, Ether Bunny, and Dilate.

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quoted 4 lines As for the Gurov recommendation, the 2 albums are good...but not nearly as

> As for the Gurov recommendation, the 2 albums are good...but not nearly as > "abstract" or interesting as his work as "DJ Vadim". More straight beats > and cuts, lacks a bit of the oddness that made me enjoy _USSR Repetoire_ so > much.

I disagree with this or at least I would say it differently. Gurov doesmore with stripped down minimal beats. Call it hip-hop, down tempo, left field or your favorite catch phrase. It is intentionally bare with wide spaces between the beats which some people would define as abstract. It is just as deep as USSR Rep but uses a different vocabulary. Probably where the title _New Rap Language_ comes from- just guessing. Equally useful as a DJ tool by the creative types but also useful as a listening device.

quoted 7 lines Also in response to the original question searching for a Jazz Fudge

> > > Also in response to the original question searching for a Jazz Fudge > compilation: There is _Organized Sound_ which is ok, or even better is > _Sculptured and Broken Sound_ which was compiled by JF and features many > Jazz Fudge and Soup Disc artists. Much better compilation than _OS_ in my > opinion.

I don't know Soup Disc- tell me more. -steve

quoted 3 lines I don't know Soup Disc- tell me more.

>I don't know Soup Disc- tell me more. > >-steve

soup disc. japanese label. ultra rare + expensive on this side of the pacific but worth acquiring on the strength of technical skillfulness of producers. that said, apart from the silverization + soliloquy of chaos (excellent) comps, its not groundbreaking product, but well executed. there is a link to their website off my links page comnet.ca/~se2/links.html i cant remember their url right now. giantexxer

quoted 2 lines soup disc. japanese label. ultra rare + expensive on this side of the

>soup disc. japanese label. ultra rare + expensive on this side of the >pacific.

Actually, Soup-Disk, Weed-beats, Shi-Ra, and other Soup-disk splinter is all available in the US. It's all distributed by DEI, which means even towers should have them. In fact, the one in boston has at least three copies of each. Something like 25 titles so far, seems to be three new each week. They're about $20 each. That's not too bad for Japanese CD's, which cost about three times as much to manufacture as US ones.

quoted 1 line its not groundbreaking product, but well executed.

>its not groundbreaking product, but well executed.

Heavily understated. These artists are from japan. Big cultural gap. What they translate as 'Avant-Garde' come far closer to said movement than the 'Avant-Gardism' thing. Really out there. For example, take Jigen. The first track is just a break, digitally cut up for three minutes. It's not in time. At all. Another record (I'm not sure which) is made entirely with two turntables and two copies of Alan Sondheim's "T'other little tune" LP on ESP (killer shut-in "speak th' black truth" free-jazz-rant circa NYC 1967). Others just feature sounds. Just sounds. There's one called "piano breaks" or something. It features looped prepared piano hits and lines, and super-low-res (8-bit 11k) hip hop breaks. That's it. Despite my obvious pro-Soup Disk affections, there are some bad ones. But the aforementioned ones were clearly THE sound of 1997 in my ears. Entirely self-standing and super individualised, sounding like nothing else. Very japanese. Just like the Musica Transonic, and the way it made rock good again in the last four years. And this in a time when clone of clone of clone of clone was the prevalent 'Hot Sound", and people's favorite records were ones they didn;t have. Maybe Soup Disk's are just too available for anyone to get excited about. Damn Gil. -Hrvåtski. __________________________________________________ Reckankreuzungsklankewerkzeuge.________________________ _________________________________PO Box 382864-2864 Cambridge, MA 02238-2864____________________________ _______________________________________________USA _______________Main URL: http://www.tiac.net/users/sheket __________________________________________________

quoted 6 lines Actually, Soup-Disk, Weed-beats, Shi-Ra, and other Soup-disk splinter is

>Actually, Soup-Disk, Weed-beats, Shi-Ra, and other Soup-disk splinter is >all available in the US. It's all distributed by DEI, which means even >towers should have them. In fact, the one in boston has at least three >copies of each. Something like 25 titles so far, seems to be three new each >week. They're about $20 each. That's not too bad for Japanese CD's, which >cost about three times as much to manufacture as US ones.

lucky u.s. people... i think the only place in the country that WANTS to carry it happens to be my local record store (which is a waste, for such a little town as ours)

quoted 5 lines its not groundbreaking product, but well executed.

>>its not groundbreaking product, but well executed. > >Heavily understated. These artists are from japan. Big cultural gap. What >they translate as 'Avant-Garde' come far closer to said movement than the >'Avant-Gardism' thing. Really out there.

thats what i wanted to post as an explanation, but im sure i would have lynched for reasons you can think about. i dont have your tact. my main exhibit was montage's mixology, which is nice, but basically amon tobin with an uninspiring name... anyways, the soup site doesnt seem to be updated to diligently, so do you know where i could find a complete discog? thanks, jif