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i finally listened to a muslimgauze cd today. 'beyond the blue mosque' compilation. i have to say this one of the most amazing disc i've ever heard. especially the Return of Black September track. fucking ace. i ran to the counter and bought it immediately. question is.. what other muslimgauze stuff is worth checking out? all of it? what else is similar. blah blah blah. np. muslimgauze (duh). man, this is great. --- : wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu : http://mute.simplenet.com

quoted 3 lines np. muslimgauze (duh).

> np. muslimgauze (duh). > > man, this is great.

I agree that muslimgauze does make pretty good music, but some people find it offensive due to his militant stance toward his 'enemies'. sig

Muslimgauze... His best work is whatever you can find on the Extreme label- very spooky, very sparse. However, I have a hard time getting fully behind him because of his radical politics. There's no lyrical content (at least on anything I've heard), but I'm a little uncomfortable buying an album with a title like "Hebron Massacre" (maybe just because I'm Jewish). I just hope he considers that some of that money in his pocket came from this Hebrew infidel. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

On 9 Feb 98, seth gordon wrote: Re: (idm) muslimgauze.:

quoted 2 lines However, I have a hard time getting fully behind him because of his

> However, I have a hard time getting fully behind him because of his > radical politics.

I must agree with this completely. However, my first taste of M/G came via a double remix album (Occupited Territories) on Staalplaat / Soleilmoon featuring Drome, zoviet*france, Panasonic, Zion Train, Human Beings among others. This is _excellent_ and has forced me to seek out other M/Gauze. One question : Mr. MuslimGauze appears to be "Bryn Jones". A name which suggests very strong Welsh connections. Does anybody know more about him and who he actually is, where he comes from and why he's gone for this persona? Thanks I * "Incomplete without surface noise" - Autechre

quoted 4 lines However, I have a hard time getting fully behind him because of his

>> However, I have a hard time getting fully behind him because of his >> radical politics. > >I must agree with this completely.

this is may be a case of closing the barn door too late. in his book "noise," jacques attali makes an argument that musical innovation is tied to the breaking of existing standards of what music is made of. transgressing barriers, while not always consciously aimed for, has propelled new styles of music into being as the old ways fail to adapt to what people require of the sounds they listen to and buy. breaking the rules is a political act whether anyone involved cares or not (as someone once said, the unintentional effects of an act are the ones that most intensely affect its long-term meaning), and attali also argues that the music that reflects this law-breaking constitutes a sonic model of society where those laws are dealt with in a different way or don't exist at all. this creates a situation where in every piece of music, a political stance can be mapped out that corresponds to the degrees and manner to which the composer engages the musical codes of their time. in this way, liking the music but not the musician's politics is playing a little game with yourself, because the music is politics (and religion) in sonic form. now, all of this is abstract and marxist, and the findings tend to be open to interpretation, but it is quite safe for home use. it can also be useful for the fanbois and -gurls out there, and not necessarily as a tool to figure out what _not_ to listen to. take a earful of (e.g.) terre thaemlitz' recent albums, and if the tones don't please you straight off, read the liner notes and maybe you'll be stimulated in a way that encourages you to listen more closely, and attempt to grasp the world that the composer is exposed to and is incorporating into their work. no one lives in a vacuum and a world of sound is what the musician is filtering for you into the grooves or pits (grooves _and_ pits if you're christian marclay :). eric onnow: scratch-pet-land(source)

On 10 Feb 98, eric hill wrote: (idm) m's and p's:

quoted 3 lines in his book "noise," jacques attali makes an argument that musical

> in his book "noise," jacques attali makes an argument that musical > innovation is tied to the breaking of existing standards of what > music is made of. transgressing barriers,

[ and more of the same for a good long while ] Maybe I just want pleasing sounds to wash my soul with. NOT innovation NOT breaking of existing standards NOT transgressing barriers Just PLEASE something enjoyable. Or relaxing. Or exciting. Or to shake my bones to. The very word "noise" as title for the book from which the thought process is taken says quite a lot. Noise does not always equal music. Well, not to my ears, it doesn't. (And yes, I do "hear what you're saying"). But just because someone promotes 'death to the infidels' doesn't make his music sound any better, now does it? I *

At 10:06 AM 2/10/98 +0200, Irene McC wrote:

quoted 8 lines One question : Mr. MuslimGauze appears to be "Bryn Jones". A name

> >One question : Mr. MuslimGauze appears to be "Bryn Jones". A name >which suggests very strong Welsh connections. Does anybody know more >about him and who he actually is, where he comes from and why he's >gone for this persona? > >Thanks >

check out http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/tbennett/Muslimgauze/muslim(N).htm. his real name is Bryn Jones and he's from Manchester. he is obsessed with politics of the middle east and supports the PLO a lot and constantly talks of the 'war' between the PLO and Israel, which is also the primary (if not only) source of musical inspiration. he's actually pretty interesting, and not as "horrible" as people make him out to be. --- : wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu : http://mute.simplenet.com

Edward Pond wrote:

quoted 10 lines The very word "noise" as title for the book from which the thought

> >The very word "noise" as title for the book from which the thought > >process is taken says quite a lot. Noise does not always equal > >music. Well, not to my ears, it doesn't. > > How about this idea: > Music is order in the chaos of noise. > Noise (as in 'noise music') is not music but a different kind of order. > 'Sonicly Interesting' is a description from Mr Twin that springs to mind. > > -Ed

How 'bout this idea: "Music is just organized noise. And noise is poison to the mind." spaul "I miss my PWEI"