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I've come out of lurker mode to say a few things. It seems like '97 has been year of the copycat. I just hope that in '98 there is more originality in electronic music. There is nothing wrong with building upon or being influenced by other peoples style, that's critical, but it's important to create something original yourself at the same time. Down with sampling "the sound" of other people in '98. I hope fewer afx, µ-ziq, plug, squarepusher emulators popup and instead a new bread of artists who have their own voice will take over the air waves. A message to anyone who doesn't freak things with their own unique style: let the above mentioned artists do their work themselves. A lot of great stuff came out this year too, I don't mean to overlook it. As an idm subscriber it is particularly frustrating that the choices on the idm ballot lack definition. I can't see why a forum such as idm, which is so diverse, would host a vote which limited the categories to specific choices. It should be left wide open who one wants to pick for top album of the year or whatever fields are on it. Then the largest number of entries "wins." Feel free to send any idm votes for your favorite stuff not listed on the idm ballot to this address and I will keep track and putup a website with the listings. One of the coolest things that popped up this year were a few american labels. My limited budget, I am a cook at a chinese restaurant if you must know, was stretched to the max when purchasing singles for $6. Not only was most of the domestic music I stumbled upon and read about here in idm great, but the artists were clearly not doing it for the money. That is very refreshing. I wish I could have afforded some of the more talked about releases, but that's life. I'm not into d/l'ing audio files either. I consider my cooking to be as much an art as making music, and I'd be po'd if a customer didn't pay for their meal and then I couldn't be paid for some reason. There is no justification in my mind for distributing someone else's music without consent, regardless of intent. The point of my post is that as we head towards '98 it is exciting to think that some of the talented folks we all talk about on the list will begin to develop their own unique style instead of trying to sound like a few artists who created such a spark. In addition, as new artists popup and generate media buzz and garnish a mention in idm, hopefully we will be exposed early to the next thing in recorded sound, whatever that may be. Looking forward to keeping up with idm in '98, lets turn things around and make this a more intelligent listserv. Anyone interested in exchanging recipes lemme know. from, sba

quoted 5 lines A lot of great stuff came out this year too, I don't mean to

> A lot of great stuff came out this year too, I don't mean to >overlook it. As an idm subscriber it is particularly frustrating that >the choices on the idm ballot lack definition. I can't see why a forum >such as idm, which is so diverse, would host a vote which limited the >categories to specific choices.

As the person doing the thankless job of running the damn poll, it's very frustrating to see all these dim bulbs who didn't bother to vote in the first round complaining about the quality and variety of the nominees. Last year, people bitched about the final results. This year, they're whining about the nominees. I wonder what it'll be like next year? Listen: the annual poll is a popularity contest. Did you go home and cry when you didn't get picked for homecoming queen in high school? Props to all the people who are keeping this in perspective.

quoted 3 lines It should be left wide open who one

>It should be left wide open who one >wants to pick for top album of the year or whatever fields are on it. >Then the largest number of entries "wins."

...and three quarters of the votes are wasted on titles that get one or two votes and have no chance of winning. Splitting the vote into nominations and final balloting is the only way to get any kind of a meaningful result; even the most popular nominees only get twenty votes or so in the first round, out of ninety or so voters, even in the single and album of the year fields, where people get three votes each. (The exception happened last year, when Blech got like three times as many votes in the first round than any other comp - interesting that ColdKrushCuts, a very similar comp that I for one think is a better record, didn't get more than one or two votes this year.) The only other way to do it, of course, would be to use a weighted top-ten or top-five or whatever system, but if you could see how fucked up a lot of the ballots I get in the current system are, you wouldn't even think of it. If someone else wants to take over the poll next year using this kind of a system, you have my blessing and my pity.

quoted 3 lines Feel free to send any idm

>Feel free to send any idm >votes for your favorite stuff not listed on the idm ballot to this >address and I will keep track and putup a website with the listings.

Great, you'll end up with a comprehensive list of every record discussed here since January. Except the Prodigy album. C. -- Chris.Hilker (cspot@hyperreal.org) "Sex is the darndest nougat murder, something something e-mail something something la la la la beable beable trousers and dingaling nougat..."

quoted 1 line or so in the first round, out of ninety or so voters, even in the

>or so in the first round, out of ninety or so voters, even in the

ninety? and there are how many people on this list? wow... just like america... i tell ya, i wish i had the money and a turntable to hear all the shit that gets talked about on here everyday. then maybe i wouldn't have to just vote for autechre and squarepusher. anyone out there willing to make me a mix of dot stuff? that'd be swell. thanks and happy new year. alan! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

quoted 5 lines Looking forward to keeping up with idm in '98,

>Looking forward to keeping up with idm in '98, >lets turn things around and make this a more intelligent listserv. >Anyone interested in exchanging recipes lemme know. >from, >sba

a marvellous post, and maybe something to think about when it's time for everyone's new year's resolutions :-)... I say kick the regular posters off and let the lurkers take over!!! cheerio! np - bolero - tomita

quoted 2 lines Great, you'll end up with a comprehensive list of every record discussed

>Great, you'll end up with a comprehensive list of every record discussed >here since January. Except the Prodigy album.

well so what, at least people will have chosen the record they felt was worthy, instead of making a choice between 5 or six, none of which they may like. i'm inclined to say that the poll is a out-of-date idea, and is responsible for 75% of all the flames and pointless arguments on the list for the 12 months following it. cheerio! np - bolero - tomita

On Wed, 24 Dec 1997 08:20:51 -0000 siliconvortex <artist@sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk> writes:

quoted 7 lines i'm inclined to say that the poll is a out-of-date idea, and is

> i'm inclined to say that the poll is a out-of-date idea, and is >responsible for 75% of all the flames and pointless arguments on the >list >for the 12 months following it. > >cheerio! >

aint that the point? ho ho ho tom w np: in-a-gadda-da-vida