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quoted 17 lines well, i've tried both (tying shoes and writing music that is). i can say

>well, i've tried both (tying shoes and writing music that is). i can say >pretty much without question that i've got tying the ole shoes altogether >figured out... but when it comes to writing "iz-us", well, it ain't quite >there yet. thanks for the encouragement, tho. > >joking aside, i've got to admit that i think you're totally wrong. saying >"aphex twin is overrated!" is much different from saying "anyone could >write that crap!". the first statement is pretty easily argued when >someone is built up like richard has been. the second just shows you can >only see the world in black and white. > >personally i think his reaction to being repeatedly built up and torn down >has been pretty entertaining. hell, if people were lobbing rocks at me >because of the ridiculously wonderful things other people had said about >me, i'd take the piss now and then, too. and then still make it >heartachingly beautiful just to rub in the fact that they were right. >

Well heres the recipe to write IZ-US: 1. Get a decent synth with symphonic pads. Use any string/modifed string sound. Roland series keyboards are good for this (jd800,jp8000,etc) as well as Korgs (m1,01/w,etc) 2. Work out a simple chord progression using major chords, minors if you want a little "emotional depth" 3. Go to the store and buy a sample CD. "Wicked loops" and "remix" are two CDS with decent loops. See, ya dont even need a drum machine anymoe :)... 4. Select a loop around 110-125 or so BPM. Makes for that unrushed pace.... 5 Sequence those chords and place a drum track with that loop endless repeating. 6. If you have cubase, run some effects such as reverb, delay for some fun. Makes for a catchy song. For larger parties just ultiply proportions :)! On an Asr-10 keyboard/sampler, you could do it in minutes. Literally. THe real joke for me is not his oh-so-intelligent pokes at pop culture, but the people who read into the antics of RDJ so much. I expect to see a thesis from one of you guys soon for your gaduate work: "A Marxian analysis of Come To Daddy"...:) The big joke is that he is laughing at the idiots who spend their life analyzing him. Reminds me of the old Mad magazine skit "You know you're sad when....you spend hours analyzing the smudge on the new album cover of your favorite band, only to find it was a bit of peanut butter from the sandwich you were eating." A A. Mukerjee Vassar College Laws are like cobwebs, which may catch small flies, but let wasps and hornets break through. --Jonathan Swift

At 4:22 PM -0500 11/3/97, Ami Mukerjee wrote:

quoted 1 line Well heres the recipe to write IZ-US:

>Well heres the recipe to write IZ-US:

<How to write a generic song deleted> well i could write a similar recipe for "how to paint a monet" or "how to write 'catcher in the rye'" or "how to write a beatles song" (obvious answer: just ask oasis) doesn't prove a damn thing. (just ask oasis)

quoted 5 lines The big joke is that he is laughing at the idiots who spend their

> The big joke is that he is laughing at the idiots who spend their >life analyzing him. Reminds me of the old Mad magazine skit "You know >you're sad when....you spend hours analyzing the smudge on the new album >cover of your favorite band, only to find it was a bit of peanut butter >from the sandwich you were eating."

sad, maybe. but at least we're deriving enjoyment and pleasure out of something beautiful for what it is, rather than ridiculing it for what it's not. sadder, i would think, that you can't do the same... btw, i'd love to hear your version of iz-us. if you can record it (shouldn't take more than a couple minutes, eh?) i'll put it up on a realaudio server and we can ask everyone else what they think as well. while i think you are seriously trivializing the creativity required of this with your recipe, i also think you are underestimating the technical skills required. either way, put or shut up, as the saying goes... ... art

In message <199711051934.OAA01763@ns.thethinker.com>, Ami Mukerjee <sinewave@thethinker.com> writes

quoted 3 lines Well heres the recipe to write IZ-US:

>Well heres the recipe to write IZ-US: >1. Get a decent synth with symphonic pads. Use any string/modifed string >sound.

<snip load of arrogant shit> Doesn't this just reek of the debate that happened only a little while back about whether it actually *matters* how music is made, whether it was made with talent or not, or is it the *end result* that matters? Coz i don't give a shit how a piece of music was made if it's really good music. -- Ben Coffer Hybrid Productions http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/

quoted 3 lines Yes. And its funny because these people never put up; all they do is run

> Yes. And its funny because these people never put up; all they do is run > there mouths like trolls. "If you know anything about music, you will see > how lame rdj's music is."

Quite right. I think perhaps some of the more 'dumb' & hardcore techno is easy to reproduce with just a synth, sequencer, MCS-303 and some time. RDJ's stuff has quite a bit more layers to it, though. :)

quoted 3 lines lsdjlksdj blech......whatever. Im tired of "lack of respect" and this

> lsdjlksdj blech......whatever. Im tired of "lack of respect" and this > "know-all attitude" that runs through the world. Did rdj analy rape you? Is > this the reason you must bash his work?

There's an old saying: The easier one thinks something is, the less he's involved with it.

quoted 4 lines Maybe I was too terse in my explanation. I meant that anyone with a

> Maybe I was too terse in my explanation. I meant that anyone with a > LITTLE musical talent, that is, an ear for music can do it. I know I can, > and that is not out of conceit, and there are COUNTLESS others who can do > it alot better.

Again, perhaps for basic 4-on-the-floor "get in da house!" techno, but not for the complexities of RDJ's stuff, or even some of the other D'n'B stuff out there. You need musical talent AND several weeks/months to learn advanced MIDI programming to do that.

quoted 1 line If RDJ is total crap, then who do respect from the word of idm/techno?

> If RDJ is total crap, then who do respect from the word of idm/techno?

(err ... Prodigy... of course. :) [ducking and running] P.s. This is more or less my de-lurk post to the list... which I joined about 2 weeks ago.. nice to meet y'all. :) -Stu

okay, first the quick question: someone posted about a week ago the real audio file of the entire Come to Daddy LP. I listened to the music and really liked it, but neglected to bookmark the page. could someone post the url again. thanks and while we're on it, my 2 cents: Anyone can buy musical instruments, and anyone can make music with them, in a generic sense, but there's artistry in fitting together the sounds and fx and the mix just right as to create a good or even great track. Some ppl feel RDJ can do no wrong, some feel he's an over-rated knob-boffin. Both are right i guess. Personally, I think you have to accept he's not releasing any -ground breaking- work anymore, like SAW I and the polygon window stuff (or whatever you find great). But CTD is a strong release, there really weren't any tracks that I found to be crap. (and I was listening to the RA!) I think he's also settled into his own sound, this this probably isn't anything recent. and so if you don't like it, all his music is less than thrilling. But taking it on its own against the standard fair of IDM, it's without a doubt a release not to be looked over. __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ gil yaker / orbital@hazmat.com