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quoted 19 lines On Tuesday, 21-Oct-97, robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr wrote [about (idm) software

>On Tuesday, 21-Oct-97, robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr wrote [about (idm) software >wanted]: >>Can someone recomend me some other software for making music ? > >I would recommend Octamed Sound Studio on PC. > >I dunno if the PC version is out yet, but the Amiga version has been out for >quite some time. OSS is a full midi-sequencer that uses the method of >inputting music that the trackers (fast tracker, impulse tracker, >screamtracker, etc.) use, which I have found to be WAY easier than the >popular sequencers (CuBase, Performer, Cakewalk, etc.) > > __ > __\ \ > / /_\ \ > \_____/ > > www.freq-div.home.ml.org >

Using MOD trackers to compose music is EXTREMELY limited and cumbersome. One has to make music from limited lenght samples with an extremely limited amount of audio processing options. Also, the amount of tracks available for MODs (at least how i remember them back when i was a kid) was 4. I think there are 8 track mod derivatives out though. I'm surprised you even compare it to Professional sequencers like CuBase, Performer, Cakewalk. I have all of them and more and find that they are just in a different league. A. Mukerjee Vassar College "Laws are like cobwebs; where the small flies get caught but the big break ones through." - Unknown

On Wednesday, 16-Oct-96, A. Mukerjee wrote [about Re: (idm) software wanted]:

quoted 6 lines Using MOD trackers to compose music is EXTREMELY limited and cumbersome.

>Using MOD trackers to compose music is EXTREMELY limited and cumbersome. >One has to make music from limited lenght samples with an extremely >limited amount of audio processing options. >Also, the amount of tracks available for MODs (at least how i remember >them back when i was a kid) was 4. I think there are 8 track mod >derivatives out though.

ehm.. try 4 sample channels and 60 midi channels, at least on the amiga version. the PC version will probably be more. and the sample channels can also be used as midi channels. read: full midi sequencer

quoted 3 lines I'm surprised you even compare it to Professional sequencers like CuBase,

>I'm surprised you even compare it to Professional sequencers like CuBase, >Performer, Cakewalk. I have all of them and more and find that they are >just in a different league.

to me, making complex drum programming is very difficult, at least on Performer. I don't want to fiddle around with tick numbers or notation. maybe this is because i've not been using in much at school, but so far all the stuff I have done have had very simple drum programming, and when I tried to add in a snarerush, I just gave up coz it was to stressful. maybe it's just me, i'd like to know how others do it really. :) and also I reckon Octamed will only cost $70, not $300-$1000 like the others. __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ www.freq-div.home.ml.org

On Sat, 25 Oct 1997, GamePrg. wrote:

quoted 8 lines to me, making complex drum programming is very difficult, at least on

> > to me, making complex drum programming is very difficult, at least on > Performer. I don't want to fiddle around with tick numbers or notation. > maybe this is because i've not been using in much at school, but so far all > the stuff I have done have had very simple drum programming, and when I > tried to add in a snarerush, I just gave up coz it was to stressful. maybe > it's just me, i'd like to know how others do it really. :) >

Performer kind of makes it difficult to do dense beats, as it doesn't have the weapon of choice for drum programming -- loop programming. Loop 2 or 4 bars, record in hits, erase 'em, add more. You can spend hours on the perfect 4 bar loop, but it's fun. Opcode's Vision works for me -- I do EVERYTHING that way. For a snare rush, read up on step recording in the on line help. Turn on step record, set the duration to 1/64 notes, and hammer that snare 64 times. Then figure out if Performer will let you draw in velocity curves for that buildup, and you're there. All the drill and bass guys use a variety of tricks to get those drilling drum rolls. The MPC3000 (Mike Paradinas' current ax) has a repeat button you can hold down to get a drum roll. Who knows what Richard James uses. But consider that snare rushes are getting pretty played out.

On Sunday, 26-Oct-97, Oblique Hospitality wrote [about Re: (idm) software wanted]:

quoted 5 lines Performer kind of makes it difficult to do dense beats, as it doesn't

>Performer kind of makes it difficult to do dense beats, as it doesn't >have the weapon of choice for drum programming -- loop programming. >Loop 2 or 4 bars, record in hits, erase 'em, add more. You can spend >hours on the perfect 4 bar loop, but it's fun. Opcode's Vision works >for me -- I do EVERYTHING that way.

quoted 4 lines For a snare rush, read up on step recording in the on line help.

>For a snare rush, read up on step recording in the on line help. >Turn on step record, set the duration to 1/64 notes, and hammer that snare >64 times. Then figure out if Performer will let you draw in velocity >curves for that buildup, and you're there.

yeah, well. you can't do it while recording, but you can select the notes and ramp the velocity from 0 to 64, etc.

quoted 4 lines All the drill and bass guys use a variety of tricks to get those drilling

>All the drill and bass guys use a variety of tricks to get those drilling >drum rolls. The MPC3000 (Mike Paradinas' current ax) has a repeat button >you can hold down to get a drum roll. Who knows what Richard James uses. >But consider that snare rushes are getting pretty played out.

yeah, I was quite surprised when I got in the studio how tedious the program was, because even in a tracker, it's very hard to get smooth snarerushes, or things like the bouncing ball in bucephalus.. __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ www.freq-div.home.ml.org

On Sun, 26 Oct 1997, GamePrg. wrote:

quoted 5 lines yeah, I was quite surprised when I got in the studio how tedious the program

> > yeah, I was quite surprised when I got in the studio how tedious the program > was, because even in a tracker, it's very hard to get smooth snarerushes, or > things like the bouncing ball in bucephalus.. >

The bouncing ball is a delay effect, and as someone noted, something that is available on certain effects processor. A similar effect can be had easily enough, if you play in 1/2 measure, copy it and past it, scale time by %50, copy THAT and paste it, etc. Which is like folding up time fractally. A simliar thing that is a fun exercise is to record say, 8 bars of a bassline, copy it, scale time to 50%, raise pitch an octave, and paste it in twice on top of the original. The results are quite literally fractal, and depending upon what you start from, they can be pretty compelling.

On Sunday, 26-Oct-97, Oblique Hospitality wrote [about Re: (idm) software wanted]:

quoted 2 lines The bouncing ball is a delay effect, and as someone noted, something that

>The bouncing ball is a delay effect, and as someone noted, something that >is available on certain effects processor. A similar effect can be

yeah but richard doesn't use any fx processors.. all he uses is what he's got on board his mac. I guess it would be possible to do it with fx processor, but doesn't delay lower the volume each time and wouldn't it be difficult to sync with the other stuff?

quoted 3 lines had easily enough, if you play in 1/2 measure, copy it and past it,

>had easily enough, if you play in 1/2 measure, copy it and past it, >scale time by %50, copy THAT and paste it, etc. Which is like folding >up time fractally.

right. like someone dropping a ball, although it would be fun to experiment with different types of balls, heh I guess this is what that effect on those certain fx processors is trying to emulate? :) ball1 ball2 ball3 rubberball etc. :D __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ www.freq-div.home.ml.org

In message <yam7238.1886.131177040@clark.net>, "GamePrg." <buh@clark.net> writes

quoted 3 lines processor, but doesn't delay lower the volume each time and wouldn't it be

>processor, but doesn't delay lower the volume each time and wouldn't it be >difficult to sync with the other stuff? >

Look, I don't know how it does it, but my SE-70 *doesn't* lower the volume after each bounce....it just does 20 bounces and stops...i can get the exact effect afx uses in 5 seconds just by putting my DR660 thru that preset on the SE-70....i guess it doesn't lower the volume because it's a digital effects processor... -- Ben Coffer Hybrid Productions http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/

On Sun, 26 Oct 1997, Ben Coffer wrote:

quoted 5 lines Look, I don't know how it does it, but my SE-70 *doesn't* lower the

> Look, I don't know how it does it, but my SE-70 *doesn't* lower the > volume after each bounce....it just does 20 bounces and stops...i > can get the exact effect afx uses in 5 seconds just by putting my > DR660 thru that preset on the SE-70....i guess it doesn't lower the > volume because it's a digital effects processor...

It doesn't lower the volume because the feedback level is set at or close to 100%. RTFM. Che

GamePrg. writes:

quoted 5 lines The bouncing ball is a delay effect, and as someone noted, something that

> >The bouncing ball is a delay effect, and as someone noted, something that > >is available on certain effects processor. A similar effect can be > > yeah but richard doesn't use any fx processors.. all he uses is what he's > got on board his mac.

and if you believe that i have a lovely bridge to sell you. still, it isn't impossible, there are software effects processors for the mac. i'm keen on Hyperprism. i think it even has some kind of multitap delay algorithm but i haven't heard the afx track so i don't know if it's the same effect.

quoted 3 lines I guess it would be possible to do it with fx

> I guess it would be possible to do it with fx > processor, but doesn't delay lower the volume each time and wouldn't it be > difficult to sync with the other stuff?

effects boxes these days are much more advanced than this. they can sync to midi, they have infinite reverb/delays... on now: demos built into my Nord Lead -- Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com SpotMedia Communications ...I was an infinitely hot and dense dot...

quoted 11 lines Using MOD trackers to compose music is EXTREMELY limited and cumbersome.

> Using MOD trackers to compose music is EXTREMELY limited and cumbersome. > One has to make music from limited lenght samples with an extremely > limited amount of audio processing options. > Also, the amount of tracks available for MODs (at least how i remember > them back when i was a kid) was 4. I think there are 8 track mod > derivatives out though. > > I'm surprised you even compare it to Professional sequencers like CuBase, > Performer, Cakewalk. I have all of them and more and find that they are > just in a different league. >

It's not how I do things, but I just got a demo from Chris Graves that is pure state of the art, and done mostly (if not entirely) in fast tracker 2. There are tracks on there that are absolutely THE SHIT, in my opinion -- noisy, post-industrial, post aphex twin drill and bass. It aint the tool, it's watcha do wit it. I have a friend who does everything in Octamed on an Amiga, with a Roland R5 drum machine that is great stuff too. A lot of people on IDM probably have a fast PC and a soundcard, but no other music gear. If you want to try making music, get into mod trackers. The internet is full of samples, so all you need is to roll up your sleeves and get on with it. Really.

quoted 5 lines A lot of people on IDM probably have a fast PC and a soundcard, but no

> A lot of people on IDM probably have a fast PC and a soundcard, but no > other music gear. If you want to try making music, get into mod trackers. > The internet is full of samples, so all you need is to roll up your sleeves > and get on with it. Really. >

You'd be surprised at the midi software that is around for amigas .. I use and fully recommend Midi-Tracker (demo available from Aminet) which is rather nifty , and Camouflage ( " " " " ) which has shitloads of useful features but is a tad more expensive .. Tim. np:Dragon's Lair II level3 tune .. Rob Hubbard :)

On Sunday, 26-Oct-97, Tim Koch wrote [about Re: (idm) software wanted]:

quoted 9 lines A lot of people on IDM probably have a fast PC and a soundcard, but no

>> A lot of people on IDM probably have a fast PC and a soundcard, but no >> other music gear. If you want to try making music, get into mod trackers. >> The internet is full of samples, so all you need is to roll up your sleeves >> and get on with it. Really. >> > You'd be surprised at the midi software that is around for amigas .. > I use and fully recommend Midi-Tracker (demo available from Aminet) > which is rather nifty , and Camouflage ( " " " " ) > which has shitloads of useful features but is a tad more expensive ..

yep. there's also bars&pipes, and some others.. soundcards for amigas are only like $250 for 16bit (which is what pc ones used to cost, i know they're cheaper now and I'm not trying to start a flame) and Digibooster Pro is supposedly have something like 32 channels and be better than Fasttracker2, although I've only heard this. I use OctaMED Sound Studio coz I don't have a hardware sampler, and need to use samples.

quoted 1 line np:Dragon's Lair II level3 tune .. Rob Hubbard :)

> np:Dragon's Lair II level3 tune .. Rob Hubbard :)

Rob Hubbard is the shit :) __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ www.freq-div.home.ml.org

In message <Pine.LNX.3.93.971026011323.20000B-100000@soli.inav.net>, Oblique Hospitality <kent@inav.net> writes

quoted 4 lines A lot of people on IDM probably have a fast PC and a soundcard, but no

>A lot of people on IDM probably have a fast PC and a soundcard, but no >other music gear. If you want to try making music, get into mod trackers. >The internet is full of samples, so all you need is to roll up your sleeves >and get on with it. Really.

Hmmm seems like a good time to step in and re-plug my site :) I still need more contributions for the IDM Modules Page.....the URL is of course: http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/idm.htm ta - Ben -- Ben Coffer Hybrid Productions http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/

quoted 3 lines and also I reckon Octamed will only cost $70, not $300-$1000 like the

> >and also I reckon Octamed will only cost $70, not $300-$1000 like the >others.

theres a reason for the price difference! A. Mukerjee Vassar College "Laws are like cobwebs; where the small flies get caught but the big break ones through." - Unknown

You should try out Fast Tracker. It has its own CD ripper andy you can also sequence them. IMHO, it's one of the best free sequencer out there. Fast download too. Just type Fast Tracker and MOD in a search engine.... -Chris Join the Reggae, Ska, Dub & Dancehall mailing list! Send: Join Reggae <your@email> to chrisone@mnl.sequel.net

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quoted 25 lines GamePrg. writes:

>GamePrg. writes: >> >The bouncing ball is a delay effect, and as someone noted, something that >> >is available on certain effects processor. A similar effect can be >> >> yeah but richard doesn't use any fx processors.. all he uses is what he's >> got on board his mac. > >and if you believe that i have a lovely bridge to sell you. still, it >isn't impossible, there are software effects processors for the mac. >i'm keen on Hyperprism. i think it even has some kind of multitap >delay algorithm but i haven't heard the afx track so i don't know if >it's the same effect. > >> I guess it would be possible to do it with fx >> processor, but doesn't delay lower the volume each time and wouldn't it be >> difficult to sync with the other stuff? > >effects boxes these days are much more advanced than this. they can >sync to midi, they have infinite reverb/delays... > >on now: demos built into my Nord Lead > >-- >Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com SpotMedia Communications > ...I was an infinitely hot and dense dot...

Very True. and suddenly I can hear someone say,(probably me) "This intelligent music, doesnt seem so intelligent anymore......" A. Mukerjee Vassar College "Laws are like cobwebs; where the small flies get caught but the big break ones through." - Unknown

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quoted 16 lines In message <yam7238.1886.131177040@clark.net>, "GamePrg."

>In message <yam7238.1886.131177040@clark.net>, "GamePrg." ><buh@clark.net> writes >>processor, but doesn't delay lower the volume each time and wouldn't it be >>difficult to sync with the other stuff? >> > >Look, I don't know how it does it, but my SE-70 *doesn't* lower the >volume after each bounce....it just does 20 bounces and stops...i >can get the exact effect afx uses in 5 seconds just by putting my >DR660 thru that preset on the SE-70....i guess it doesn't lower the >volume because it's a digital effects processor... > >-- >Ben Coffer >Hybrid Productions >http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/

That bouncing ball effect is not through volume changes as Ben Coffer correctly states. It is the a delay/reverb process. This CAN be done through software calculation on a mac. I have tons of effects plugins to do that as well as dedicated software for such.... A. Mukerjee Vassar College "Laws are like cobwebs; where the small flies get caught but the big break ones through." - Unknown

Excerpts from mail: 21-Oct-97 (idm) software wanted by robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr

quoted 1 line Can someone recomend me some other software for making music ?

> Can someone recomend me some other software for making music ?

Hammerhead and Stomper Ultra are the bomb. With partial exception to Rebirth's excellent 303 emulation, Hammerhead's painless and effective drum sequencing makes Rebirth look like afterbirth. (burp) Aaron np: kumo (airbag)

On Tuesday, 21-Oct-97, robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr wrote [about (idm) software wanted]:

quoted 1 line Can someone recomend me some other software for making music ?

>Can someone recomend me some other software for making music ?

I would recommend Octamed Sound Studio on PC. I dunno if the PC version is out yet, but the Amiga version has been out for quite some time. OSS is a full midi-sequencer that uses the method of inputting music that the trackers (fast tracker, impulse tracker, screamtracker, etc.) use, which I have found to be WAY easier than the popular sequencers (CuBase, Performer, Cakewalk, etc.) __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ www.freq-div.home.ml.org

quoted 1 line Excerpts from mail: 21-Oct-97 (idm) software wanted by

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robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr

quoted 5 lines Can someone recomend me some other software for making music ?

> > Can someone recomend me some other software for making music ? > > Hammerhead and Stomper Ultra are the bomb. With partial exception to > Rebirth's excellent 303 emulation, Hammerhead's painless and effective > drum sequencing makes Rebirth look like afterbirth.

Where can I get them ? Do you have a full ReBirth RB-338 ? (I have the demo) So if someone can give it to me so I can download it or something. Thanks.

you wrote: Do you have a full ReBirth RB-338 ? (I have the demo) So if someone can give it to me so I can download it or something. I write: Please, don't beat around the bush, just come out and tell us what you want:) Unfortunately, Rebirth has a copy protection built in wherein you need the CD in the drive in order to launch the application. And it's not as simple as burnng a copy CD either; there are some 'invisible' files that need to be copied as well... Just buy it...it's only $175, and the free update (1.5) id *dope*! peace, Nate Nate Harrison Digital Magician Inc. www.digimagician.com nate@digimagician.com 313.994.7316

Robert (and others) Not to be an asshole, but you boys really need to take this warez bullshit off idm. It's not cool to be broadcasting this stuff on a public list, since most of us, while not above using the odd piece of cracked software (or demos), have spent MANY thousands of dollars on programs. Please have a little respect for the cool people who wrote all these great programs we all love (and use) so much. word out, brock _____________________________________________________________________ Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com

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quoted 2 lines better still, you can get 1.5! go to #audiowarez on efnet, and check out

> better still, you can get 1.5! go to #audiowarez on efnet, and check out > the file-bot called kYe.

Can you explain me this a little bit more ? What is the site address? (i'm not familliar with this)

quoted 1 line yes - reality softsynth (essential but only works on sb soundcards),

> yes - reality softsynth (essential but only works on sb soundcards),

cylonix vocoder Cool, I have SB16. Where could I get it (like download it or s'thing) ? What about this vocoder (coooooooool)? Where can i get it?

quoted 1 line np - avtomaticesk - bochum welt

> np - avtomaticesk - bochum welt

me too. Thanks-thanks and bye-bye.

quoted 1 line If you sift around enough I'm sure you'd be able to find a pirated copy

> If you sift around enough I'm sure you'd be able to find a pirated copy

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quoted 1 line Cakewalk Pro Audio 6.0 Delux.

> Cakewalk Pro Audio 6.0 Delux.

Where at ?

quoted 2 lines but I wouldn't use it though unless I bought

> but I wouldn't use it though unless I bought > the real version from a store because of it's complexity.

I think i'll get into it easily (i allways do).

quoted 2 lines There are many lower ver. of Cakewalk.

> There are many lower ver. of Cakewalk. > You can sequence totaly digital audio in as many tracks as your computer

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quoted 1 line take. and with Cool Edit, that can be a quite powerful tool.

> take. and with Cool Edit, that can be a quite powerful tool.

Could you explain me how exactly can i get it, please ? Thanks.

Hi ! We are not interesed in cracked software, we'd like to know about the sites where we can see some demo softwares, and try them, or could you give us some reviews and then buy em. We don't wanna cracked software ! You misunderstood us ! respect Rob

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> Robert (and others) > > Not to be an asshole, but you boys really need to > take this warez bullshit off idm. > > It's not cool to be broadcasting this stuff on a > public list, since most of us, while not above using > the odd piece of cracked software (or demos), have > spent MANY thousands of dollars on programs.

btw, you cannot use demo software, they are good to see options and values of certain software, and to help you deciede wether or not you wanna buy that software . I tought you might help us, sorry.

quoted 3 lines Please have a little respect for the cool people who

> Please have a little respect for the cool people who > wrote all these great programs we all love (and use) > so much.

I have respect for them, because I am one of them. I just wanted few info notes and suggestions, not cracked software versions .... respect once again Rob

Hi. For everyone, I DO NOT want pirated software. I was thinking if enyone knows where could I get FREE software on the net that I can download. I'm sure there's lots of it. Thanks anyway to all of you. Bye. np: I was a cloudy day at the begining of September........... Bonkers goes back to school (allright!!!)