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1997-09-26 07:49Re: (idm) [review] Björk - Homogenic (reality check)
1997-10-03 09:10Gonzi Merchan Re: (idm) [review] Bjrk - Homogenic (reality check)
└─ 1997-09-26 10:28Otto Koppius (idm) Re: (idm) [review] Bj÷rk - Homogenic (reality check)
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1997-09-26 07:49frankie@gargamel.comGonzi, At 20:37 1997-10-02 -0700, you wrote: >I wonder what Ken D. has to say on the topic
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Gonzi, At 20:37 1997-10-02 -0700, you wrote:
quoted 1 line I wonder what Ken D. has to say on the topic?>I wonder what Ken D. has to say on the topic?
?? Anyway, I'm glad you mentioned him, because he is THE PERFECT PROOF of the fact that this is not about money. I can't really imagine him being richer than Cylob (us who've been on this list a while knows...) but he is still doing some of the most brilliant music around. All the Cylob albums in the world weren't anything against MFA or Spanners.
quoted 7 lines Hmmm. What kind of risks are you taking when you already have a zillion>Hmmm. What kind of risks are you taking when you already have a zillion >dollars? There are many struggling IDM artists who have the talent and >technical skills to produce the sort of mindless dance music that will >sell loads more than the type of music they produce to stay true to >themselves and because they believe in what they are doing. Some of >those people are members on this list. I suppose I think they are a bit >more brave than bjork.
It's not about "Underground" and "Mainstream" here. Listen to the music, I was talking about Cylob etc. I mean I like his work but I don't consider it to be anything else but a pale copy of mr. Richard James', it doesn't really matters how much money involved. It's proven that you don't have to have a lot of dough to create good mucis, IT IS ALSO PROVEN that because you have, you tend to make lousy music because you go with the flow at the top of the popworld. BUT BJÖRK DOESNT.
quoted 4 lines I'm not being picky. I can enjoy a good pop tune as much as the next>I'm not being picky. I can enjoy a good pop tune as much as the next >geezer (I'm the one who posted about my love for the spice girls, >remember?), but I acknowledge the music for what it is. When I read >stuff like this...
You're too much. It's not about good poptunes. It's about as comparable to spice girls as Coldcut is to King Diamond. That's where the magic lies - A POPSTAR NOT DOING POPTUNES but cutting edge stuff that I though was interesting to this list, I thought that I told you that already.
quoted 2 lines I have to say: get real. I still love you Plod geezers but I think>I have to say: get real. I still love you Plod geezers but I think >you're off your rockers with this one.
Hmm... There are 2 of us. We're not the same, and I think you have to ask Erik of his opinion before stuffing us in the same bin. brachielles@juno.com wrote:
quoted 3 lines ya know, it's one thing to write a good review of a record (and in this>ya know, it's one thing to write a good review of a record (and in this >case I definetely agree with you), but did you really need to single >handedly insult half of the listmembers?
Didn't mean to, but the reaction I was awaiting was an attack that had to do with this record not being underground enough, if you know what I mean. It's known to happen, and I just wanted to try and prevent that. When I listen to this Björk album, nothing else really matters. When I listen to my average whatever all I hear is fuckin great music. I dunno where the difference lies, really.... Anyway, I didn't mean to start a Cylob vs. Björk debate here (sounds stupid innit?) and I guess I should've picked my words more carefully when I wrote that piece, any insults created, I'm sorry. Bottomline: Go get Homogenic(even you Fresh you'll dig it). Cheers, Fe. - sale/wants: http://gargamel.com/frankie ''' = ) - =-= = '''''''''' - - plodilism!: http://gargamel.com/plod -->--> -/ - - - ] '''''''' - - dot records: http://gargamel.com/dot '''''' = -.. =-= = '''''''''' -
1997-10-03 09:10Gonzi Merchan> I can't really imagine him being richer than Cylob Imagine it. > but he is still > doing
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quoted 1 line I can't really imagine him being richer than Cylob> I can't really imagine him being richer than Cylob
Imagine it.
quoted 2 lines but he is still> but he is still > doing some of the most brilliant music around.
Yes, but you don't see him running out to hire some guy who made a record he likes to write his tracks with him so he can ape his sound and then sit back and read reviews about what a cutting edge musical genius he is.
quoted 4 lines I> I > was talking about Cylob etc. I mean I like his work but I don't consider it > to be anything else but a pale copy of mr. Richard James', it doesn't > really matters how much money involved.
My argument has nothing to do with the merits of one particular artist over another as obviously it is all a matter of personal taste, my argument lies with the credit one should recieve for the work produced.
quoted 4 lines It's proven that you don't have to> It's proven that you don't have to > have a lot of dough to create good mucis, IT IS ALSO PROVEN that because > you have, you tend to make lousy music because you go with the flow at the > top of the popworld. BUT BJÖRK DOESNT.
You're right, it's not about money. There are broke bastards who make crap tracks and rich bastards who make great tracks. I like some of bjork's stuff, it's not like I despise her or anything - but i do take exception when you put her in the same league as Autechre and Squarepusher and some of the other underground labels you mentioned. It's an insult to those artist who come up with their own ideas and see them through to the final product instead of hiring people to come up with ideas for them. ps i'll ask erik next time. gunziee.
1997-09-26 10:28Otto KoppiusGonzi Merchan wrote: > Yes, but you don't see him running out to hire some guy who made a
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Gonzi Merchan wrote:
quoted 4 lines Yes, but you don't see him running out to hire some guy who made a> Yes, but you don't see him running out to hire some guy who made a > record he likes to write his tracks with him so he can ape his sound and > then sit back and read reviews about what a cutting edge musical genius > he is.
I see your point, but you don't hear Bjork claiming credit for the work that Mark Bell, Nellee Hooper etc. etc. do. At least not AFAIK. In practically every interview she tells how much fun it is to work with these people and how they came up with great ideas. Lazy media may say that *she* is a musical genius, but I think her genius lies in the fact that she can assemble a team around her that creates a musical synergy. I guess you could call that musical genius maybe, but not in the conventional sense anyway. Otto