IDM Mailing Archive

On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, jif wrote:

quoted 2 lines anybody can recommend a good model around 1000$ (canadian --- you do the math)

> anybody can recommend a good model around 1000$ (canadian --- you do the math) >

$1000CDN is what, about $750US? Depends on what you mean ... there are a few CDR's that are standalone (like the Marantz) but usually you buy a CD-R drive for your computer, and dump stuff to CD from the computer. You can get a bare drive (you supply mastering software and SCSI controller) for about $350US, or complete kits for about $500US on up. You need a decent computer with a relatively fast hard disk to do CD-R burning reliably.

quoted 2 lines how about making it profitable --- share your experiences...

> how about making it profitable --- share your experiences... >

Blanks are about $7US (sometimes less); you could make one-off CD's for people and charge them up to $50, depending upon how much work is involved. There is other expenses involved in this -- getting a DAT recorder and digital I/O card for your computer to get the sound into it to dump to CD, good audio CD mastering software, etc. I think there's potentially a market for releasing music on a 'burn to order' basis. The biggest problem is that you have to have 700meg free on your hard disk at any given time to hold the CD image, and it's time consuming reading these images on and off of CD in order to burn new ones. You'd have to burn a lot of CD's to make very much money off the whole process, and it ties up the computer while it's burning -- don't do ANYTHING else while you burn or you'll make a coaster. --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Psyche manifests as psychic through something we call 'winding', because it twists, and puts things that were far apart next to each other, complicatedly, taffywise." -- winona on channel 78 Kent Williams kent@inav.net -- http://soli.inav.net/~kent

Oblique Hostility wrote:

quoted 4 lines I think there's potentially a market for releasing music on a 'burn to order

>I think there's potentially a market for releasing music on a 'burn to order' >basis. The biggest problem is that you have to have 700meg free on your hard >disk at any given time to hold the CD image, and it's time consuming reading >these images on and off of CD in order to burn new ones.

Shoot me down as ignorant, but I've heard that you need a fairly non-standard hard disk as your source storage. My understanding is that you need to burn the entire CD in a single hit. Conventional disk drives will pause every now and again to do a thermal calibration check which will screw up your contiguous dump to the CD. So, you either need a disk that does calibration incrementally, or a good amount of RAM as a buffer. But, I could be wrong! Andrew --- In the event of - a Bomb/Arson threats/Life threats: Basic rules: - treat as genuine; - record exact information

ANdrew wrote: Shoot me down as ignorant, but I've heard that you need a fairly non-standard hard disk as your source storage. My understanding is that you need to burn the entire CD in a single hit. Conventional disk drives will pause every now and again to do a thermal calibration check which will screw up your contiguous dump to the CD. So, you either need a disk that does calibration incrementally, or a good amount of RAM as a buffer. But, I could be wrong! Nate writes: You're pretty much right. Basically you need a hard drive that has a certain sustained transfer rate, as well a good cache/buffer. Hard drives where the thermal calibration can be turned off and have a speedy sustained transfer rate are usually advertised as "AV" (audio/video) drives and are not uncommon at all. There's a whole slew of that type of gear for those people that burn CD's for music or digital video to hard disk etc. We have 2 CD burner's at work and I burn about 10 CD's of computer data a week. Everyone I worked (normal non/IDM types) with thought it was real cool when I burned an audio CD one day! It's funny cuz with a 4x write CDR you can burn a 70min (worth of music) CD in about 16min! waiting for DVD to get in the mix, Nate Nate Harrison Digital Magician Inc. www.digimagician.com nate@digimagician.com 313.994.7316

quoted 9 lines Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 23:20:20 -0500 (CDT)

> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 23:20:20 -0500 (CDT) > From: Oblique Hostility <kent@inav.net> > Subject: Re: (idm) About CD recorders > > On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, jif wrote: > > $1000CDN is what, about $750US? Depends on what you mean ... there > are a > few CDR's that are standalone (like the Marantz)

There is a problem with these stand alone HiFi systems - you need special CD-Rs for them.The usual ones will not work. Added to the inconvenience of finding them is the fact that they cost about $25 each because the consortium that produced the standard assumed that any copying done will be infringing copyright. Therefore, a contribution from the sale of each of these CD-R disks goes to the copyright society (whats the name of that thing again?).

quoted 8 lines but usually you buy a CD-R

> but usually you buy a CD-R > drive for your computer, and dump stuff to CD from the computer. You > can get > a bare drive (you supply mastering software and SCSI controller) for > about $350US, > or complete kits for about $500US on up. You need a decent computer > with a > relatively fast hard disk to do CD-R burning reliably.

I managed to find a Phillips CD2600 internal for around $400 - came with good mastering software (Corel, although I now use Easy CD 95 Pro), and a SCSI card for the PC. My PC is a SCSI set-up anyway so I just plugged it into my Adaptec 2940, but people with slower machines have told me they still use the supplied card so that there is no bottleneck with having the drive and the CD recorder on the same link.

quoted 1 line Blanks are about $7US (sometimes less);

> Blanks are about $7US (sometimes less);

Don't pay any more than $4 ea now.

quoted 8 lines you could make one-off CD's for people

> you could make one-off CD's for people > and charge them up to $50, depending upon how much work is involved. > There > is other expenses involved in this -- getting a DAT recorder and > digital I/O card > for your computer to get the sound into it to dump to CD, good audio > CD mastering > software, etc.

I'd recommend the Terratec EWS64 for this. Fabulous card.

quoted 7 lines I think there's potentially a market for releasing music on a 'burn to

> I think there's potentially a market for releasing music on a 'burn to > order' > basis. The biggest problem is that you have to have 700meg free on > your hard > disk at any given time to hold the CD image, and it's time consuming > reading > these images on and off of CD in order to burn new ones.

Is having 700Mb of free space so much of a problem any more ? You can't seem to geta HDD less than 2.1 Gb anymore. I always read a 1x even though my drive can do 6x. Speed is no alternative to quality - I occasionally get a few little clicks when I read at 6x.

quoted 5 lines You'd have to burn a lot of CD's to make very much money off the whole

> You'd have to burn a lot of CD's to make very much money off the whole > process, > and it ties up the computer while it's burning -- don't do ANYTHING > else while > you burn or you'll make a coaster.

I agree, I need to find some interesting things to do with all those that I've managed to blow up. Andi.