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(idm) NIN when will it end.

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1997-06-01 00:17Stray (idm) NIN when will it end.
├─ 1997-06-01 00:44LOgre2'3 Re: (idm) NIN when will it end.
└─ 1997-06-02 04:43john/bergmayer Re: (idm) NIN when will it end.
1997-06-02 18:41Stray Re: (idm) NIN when will it end.
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1997-06-01 00:17StrayTrent Reznor is not original, Trent Reznor is not 'underground' nor is he using 'undergrou
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Trent Reznor is not original, Trent Reznor is not 'underground' nor is he using 'underground techniques'. There is no such fucking thing as 'underground techniques'. Technique is not meaning, moreover technique does not create the audience. We all like music, some of the sadder amongst us (including me) are suckers for certain sounds. I like EMU drum sounds, I've gone right off 808's. But only the truly sad bastard would say I like music made solely on such and such kit in such and such way. Anyway, Trent Reznor is an oppurtunist with not that much to say lyrically or music. To call him 'Industrial' is an insult to other Industrial artists (Coil, PTV, Nurse with wound, Pigface, Foetus) who are a million miles from him composition wise, and artistically are a damn sight more talented. Trent comes from the Ministry, Revolting Cocks school of (so called) Industrial music, which is actually thrash metal with keyboards and drum machines. NIN is a lot of loud ROCK music , it is NOT dance music, and for that reason has no place on this list. Just 'cos the bastard uses a drum machine doesn't make him IDM. I was once a huge fan of NIN (pretty hate machine). But everything since then has been pretty, well, childish sub spinal tap posturing bollocks. His videos and music these days make me laugh like a dog. As a source of humour he is great, as a source of musical inspiration he's a joke. When he say's the word 'fuck' in a song it sounds like a 14 year old schoolkid trying desperately hard to be naughty so as to impress his friends. It's music for Beavis and Butthead and not, frankly, for real grown ups. When ppl who obviously have zero writing talent make a fortune out of swearing and making loud noises whilst talented artist go unnoticed does actually piss a lot of us off. Why the fuck should any of us apologise for that. Blame the major labels and the huge lumbering media machines that make damn sure everyone on the planet gets exposed to their product. Cheers, Stray ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deconstructed cinema - The forefinger of video art. Home to patronising bigoted opinions and music that goes 'blip , bzzzt, TING!' ===============================================================================
1997-06-01 00:44LOgre2'3At 01:17 AM 6/1/97 +0100, Stray wrote: >NIN is a lot of loud ROCK music , it is NOT dance
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At 01:17 AM 6/1/97 +0100, Stray wrote:
quoted 1 line NIN is a lot of loud ROCK music , it is NOT dance music, and for >that>NIN is a lot of loud ROCK music , it is NOT dance music, and for >that
reason has no place on this list. I wouldn't say *that*.. There are heavy elements of both of those in his music. Though, obviously, NIN is lacking one thing that the other bands on this list (most of them, at least) have. Remeber, it's *intelligent* dance music.
1997-06-02 04:43john/bergmayer> is an oppurtunist with not that much to say lyrically or music. To call him > 'Industria
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quoted 3 lines is an oppurtunist with not that much to say lyrically or music. To call him> is an oppurtunist with not that much to say lyrically or music. To call him > 'Industrial' is an insult to other Industrial artists (Coil, PTV, Nurse > with wound, Pigface, Foetus)
ironically, trent reznor was one of the founders of pigface, along with martin atkins and maybe half a dozen others. he appears on the album "gub", and one of those songs is also on his album broken in a different form.
1997-06-02 18:41Stray>ironically, trent reznor was one of the founders of pigface, along with >martin atkins an
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quoted 4 lines ironically, trent reznor was one of the founders of pigface, along with>ironically, trent reznor was one of the founders of pigface, along with >martin atkins and maybe half a dozen others. he appears on the album >"gub", and one of those songs is also on his album broken in a different >form.
Sorry, got interrupted when I first tried to reply to this. He isn't a founder member, he only appears on 'Gub' which is not the first album. It's Martin Atkins project, he's the only real regular (apart from albini). Trent is also only credited for one track as I recall 'Suck', and then it's only a vocal credit. Wish I could check but I had my copy stolen three to four years ago. Heyho there ya go. Some sod always steals your tunes. - Stray. xxxxxx ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deconstructed Cinema - The forefinger of video art. Reprogramming and subversion through positive association. (01908) 201276. ============================================================================ =
1997-06-02 19:01LOgre2'3At 07:41 PM 6/2/97 +0100, you wrote: >He isn't a founder member, he only appears on 'Gub'
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At 07:41 PM 6/2/97 +0100, you wrote:
quoted 1 line He isn't a founder member, he only appears on 'Gub' which is not >the>He isn't a founder member, he only appears on 'Gub' which is not >the
first album. Gub is very much the first album.
quoted 2 lines It's Martin Atkins project, he's the only real regular (apart from>It's Martin Atkins project, he's the only real regular (apart from >albini).
Albini hasn't appeared on anything since 'Gub.'
quoted 2 lines Trent is also only credited for one track as I recall 'Suck', and>Trent is also only credited for one track as I recall 'Suck', and >then it's only a vocal credit. Wish I could check but I had my >copy
stolen three to four years ago. He also appears on "The Bushmaster."