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Djing is great. I do it. I love to do it and hear it done. Its art in the sense that collage making is art or flower arranging is art. You aren't creating much, just rearranging whats already done. Sometime its nice but its too easy. I will give scratching djs a little more credit partly because it is much more difficult but also because they are sacrificing years of record enjoyment with their greasy paws (that's dedication). -- Mark Edward Bowen Warmed Breakdown mb@gettins.bche.uic.edu

If you don't think collage making is art then you don't know much at all about art. Playing a piano is rearranging the order of the sounds designed by a piano manufacturer. Decisions made by the piano manufacturer greatly influence, limit, and shape the pianists vision. And if the pianist is not a composer, then is the pianist a non-artist? They are only rearranging the composer's vision, right? Writers usually write in a language which was invented by their culture hundreds, even thousands of years before. They use other people's pens, paper, and word processors. These tools, made and designed by others, VERY much determine what they are able to write. Do you write differently than you did before you owned a word processor? I certainly do. Even painting is rearranging what's already done. Most painters don't mine their pigments or mix their paints or weave their canvases. In the late 1800's when tubed paint was invented, people like you condemned their use as "low" art because their users weren't mixing the paint themselves. An early user of such paint? Vincent Van Gogh. Do you have to be a supernatural being, free from cultural and physical constraints, and able to manipulate matter and energy at the subatomic level to be a "high" artist? I hope not cuz I'm an atheist. Someone once said that art is anything that *can* be done very well. I like that definition. Besides, whenever somebody uses the term "high" art I reach for my gun. -CF

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> -----Original Message----- > From: idm-owner@hyperreal.com [SMTP:idm-owner@hyperreal.com] On Behalf > Of Mark Bowen > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 2:44 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.com > Subject: (idm) DJing isn't high art > > Djing is great. I do it. I love to do it and hear it done. Its art > in the > sense that collage making is art or flower arranging is art. You > aren't > creating much, just rearranging whats already done. Sometime its nice > but its > too easy. > > I will give scratching djs a little more credit partly because it is > much more > difficult but also because they are sacrificing years of record > enjoyment with > their greasy paws (that's dedication). > > > > -- > Mark Edward > Bowen > Warmed Breakdown > mb@gettins.bche.uic.edu

quoted 1 line Djing is great. I do it. I love to do it and hear it done. Its art in

> Djing is great. I do it. I love to do it and hear it done. Its art in

the

quoted 2 lines sense that collage making is art or flower arranging is art. You aren't

> sense that collage making is art or flower arranging is art. You aren't > creating much, just rearranging whats already done. Sometime its nice

but its

quoted 1 line too easy.

> too easy.

Here in Belgium, some people are pretty sick of the hyhpe that's been created about the whole dj stuff, so they're organising 'Hang the dj'-parties, with musicians who haven't got much experience, but who will prove that anyone with a turntable and a good musical taste can play records. btw: Yes, playing piano is also a rearrangement of existing stuff, but there's a big difference between arranging separate notes and complete records. Not everything that has something to do with creation is art. (We had this kind of discussion on the e-music list, and I had enough of it, so this is the last thing I say about it.) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ M a t h i a s V e r r a e s ET.Phone.Home@ThePentagon.com 'Aequalitas haud parit bellum' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On Wednesday, 23-Apr-97, Mathias Verraes wrote [about Re: (idm) DJing isn't high art]:

quoted 5 lines Here in Belgium, some people are pretty sick of the hyhpe that's been

>Here in Belgium, some people are pretty sick of the hyhpe that's been >created about the whole dj stuff, so they're organising 'Hang the >dj'-parties, with musicians who haven't got much experience, but who will >prove that anyone with a turntable and a good musical taste can play >records.

heh I'll stand by to watch everything crash together :) -- __ __\ \ / /_\ \ \_____/ , m7=