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on Tue, 28 Jan 1997, "Gonzi (Fresh)" wrote:

quoted 12 lines Enough of this Angloslavery!

>>> Enough of this Angloslavery! >>> No tax on our tea! >>> Vive le France! >> >> But seriously folks, Zenon's right, check the Source Lab 2 >> compilation, and albums by Motor Bass, Daft Punk, Dmitri from Paris, >>Le Funk Mob, for a start. > >Don't forget Air which are better than all those geezers put together I >reckon (except for a couple of Le Funk Mob's tracks). Of course you have >to be careful what you put on a record in France cause they can throw >you in jail for it.

yes, absolutely ! especialy for rap records ! NTM, a french _radical_ rap band know it... and what about our new french talent, Jacques Lu Cont aka Les Rythmes Digitales on Wall Of Sound ? his double ep _Liberation_ is more idm than ScanX. i've endured an infamous live session of this last one. completely udm [unintelligentdancemusic]: b00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00M b00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00M b00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00M_1break_b00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00M b00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00M b00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00M b00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00M_1break_b00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00M b00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00M b00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00Mb00M etc... during 1 hour !!! he's better in his homestudio, but not particulary innovative compared to Daft Punk. their 1rst lp _Homeworks_ [Virgin] is a bomb ! distortions, funky loops and cheap melodies. love it. and who say Laurent Garnier ?! BRAINda laSOURCE from direct2brain (C)orpo(R)ation http://www.worldnet.net/~d2b [CelebrateYourCerebral]

From: "Zenon M. Feszczak" <feszczak@sas.upenn.edu>

quoted 3 lines Actually, during my visits to England, I always attempted to fathom what

> Actually, during my visits to England, I always attempted to fathom what > ingredient it is in the culture, or in the air or water for that matter, > which allows for the production of so much delicious music.

That famous english reserve finding it's outlet. We're so uptight we neeeed a release.

quoted 3 lines Enough of this Angloslavery!

> Enough of this Angloslavery! > No tax on our tea! > Vive le France!

But seriously folks, Zenon's right, check the Source Lab 2 compilation, and albums by Motor Bass, Daft Punk, Dmitri from Paris, Le Funk Mob, for a start. Phil PS My personal theory involves oppresive society / government leading to creative frustration, and a need for release. See also Detroit, and France for that matter. ...I feel laaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAve...

Phile the Argonaut wrote:

quoted 5 lines PS My personal theory involves oppressive society / government leading

>PS My personal theory involves oppressive society / government leading >to creative frustration, and a need for release. See also Detroit, >and France for that matter. > >

Something to be said for the relationship between misery and deep music. Without getting into the whole suffering artist thing in detail, consider the usual paradigm of the artist and the Muse. Not surprisingly, the artist would be most creative when the Muse is an unreachable temptation, the whole unrequited love deal, the ideal which inspires poetry. Once the love is no longer quite so unrequited, then let's just say that the creative person finds more direct means to express his/her passion, the results of which are generally not published as art in polite society. Replace "Muse" with any unreachable ideal - be it personal or political freedom, psychological happiness, or whatever. I think the key factors are the cultural levels of COMFORT and PASSIVITY. Both easy access to comfort and to passive entertainment tend to nullify the active creation of original and profound art. Hence the black U.S. subculture serves as creative cauldron, while white youth adopt black slang and fashions, along with music.While the person in difficult conditions needs that creative outlet as self-definition, self-realization, and so on. It's the rare person who can keep the creative demon alive in conditions of comfort. Conflict and adversity (not to mention impending execution) focus the mind quite remarkably. In the former Soviet Union and the Eastern European countries which pre- and post-date that misguided empire, everyone sings. A party is not a party unless someone passes around the guitar, and people sing, often their own songs written from their own poetry. I fear that the dawning age of hyper-Americanization of post-Soviet youth may eradicate any traces of this cultural phenomenon within one generation. There's yet another relation: to be an original creator requires a basic tolerance for discomfort. Those who have lived through adversity are already prepared for this, while those raised in comfort may find the challenge distasteful. By comfort, I mean physical,material, psychological, political, intellectual, emotional comfort. To be truly original, one must be willing to confront one's own comfortable preconceptions - a risky endeavour. Not to mention sleep deprivation. Best, Zenon M. Feszczak Philosopher ex nihilo

On 28-Jan-97, Erkki Rautio wrote:

quoted 2 lines I suggest Finnish will be the official language of

>I suggest Finnish will be the official language of >IDM.

:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD -- Hillie aka Aurafix / PHD ja DAMONES hillien kotisivu - http://www.clark.net/pub/buh/index.html easy internet services - http://huizen.dds.nl/~eis Do re mi fa so la ti.. Oh let's see if I can make it easier...

quoted 7 lines Enough of this Angloslavery!

> > Enough of this Angloslavery! > > No tax on our tea! > > Vive le France! > > But seriously folks, Zenon's right, check the Source Lab 2 > compilation, and albums by Motor Bass, Daft Punk, Dmitri from Paris, > Le Funk Mob, for a start.

Don't forget Air which are better than all those geezers put together I reckon (except for a couple of Le Funk Mob's tracks). Of course you have to be careful what you put on a record in France cause they can throw you in jail for it. _____ / ,-,_) /,_) (/ RESH Live & Direct from the G-Spot, Orange County, California, USA http://www1.linkonline.net/fresh/fresh.htm

quoted 8 lines But seriously folks, Zenon's right, check the Source Lab 2

> > But seriously folks, Zenon's right, check the Source Lab 2 > > compilation, and albums by Motor Bass, Daft Punk, Dmitri from Paris, > > Le Funk Mob, for a start. > > Don't forget Air which are better than all those geezers put together I > reckon (except for a couple of Le Funk Mob's tracks). Of course you have > to be careful what you put on a record in France cause they can throw > you in jail for it.

Anybody watch "Last Tango In Paris", there's one track in the film that total sounds exactly like Air's "Casanova 70" (on Source Lab 2). There were no track credits at the end of the copy I rented, anyone know who it's by??

Zenon wrote

quoted 1 line Hence the black U.S. subculture serves as >creative cauldron, while white

> Hence the black U.S. subculture serves as >creative cauldron, while white

youth adopt black >slang and fashions, along with music.While the >person in difficult conditions needs that creative >outlet as self-definition, self-realization, and so >on. It's the rare person who can keep the

quoted 1 line creative demon alive in conditions of comfort. >Conflict and adversity

>creative demon alive in conditions of comfort. >Conflict and adversity

(not to mention impending >execution) focus the mind quite remarkably. i agree totally...but i think in todays society ..especially america...there is a good deal of suffering and reaching and adversity even outside of the inner city...it's a consumerist society that is always waving a goodie in front of our faces..so i would venture to say that it's not only the ghetto youth who are cultural builders, but even those in the suburbs where there is a large faceless from of oppression...cold, impersonal and sublime....a lack of community and reliance on the automobile and just general modernized slavery... the whole electronic "explosion" is a symptom and result of this ( imo)...see raves and what not... MANY of us are in difficult positons... at least in the inner city, though...there's a community and a neighborhood.....suburbia is so isolating...and the reward punishment syndrome...blah blah blah...i live in the city now..:) but let us just leave it at poverty is the stuff that dreams are made of. l8r b