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Re: (idm) more commands while wearing gloves -Reply

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1997-01-13 17:03Aimee Merritt Re: (idm) more commands while wearing gloves -Reply
1997-01-13 17:22Anastasia Re: (idm) more commands while wearing gloves -Reply
1997-01-14 09:05Nick Worthington Re: (idm) more commands while wearing gloves -Reply
1997-01-15 21:19Benjamin A. Woznicki Re: (idm) more commands while wearing gloves -Reply
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1997-01-13 17:03Aimee MerrittIt's this kind of condescending bullshit that causes most of the females on the list to lu
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Mon, 13 Jan 1997 09:03:38 -0800
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It's this kind of condescending bullshit that causes most of the females on the list to lurk rather than post. Guess what? We don't need the male members of the species to turn us on to "intense, convoluted" things. We are all quite capable of discovering music on our own. In fact, I would say that I have managed to convert quite a large number of males to this music that, according to some, is so convoluted that I can't quite understand it. I'm just as big of a sad trainspotter as the rest of you and if the girls that you choose to covort with are incapable of understanding idm then perhaps you should reevaluate your choice of friends instead of making sweeping generalizations about the rest of us. I believe we already had this argument when someone on the list made the comment that "girlfriends just don't understand." This music is not made for men only and the females that you see at shows and flipping through the record bins are not only there because their boyfriend dragged them there. It is also completely erroneous to assume that all we like is the "gentle" stuff like SAW 2 and, as is implied below, that we only like it because some guy turned us on to it. This really needs to end immediately. It's not just people on this list either. I can't tell you how many times a person has come into my apartment and said, "Wow! Your boyfriend sure has a lot of records/cds." Perhaps what we should be examining is what exactly makes men think that females are incapable of having their own tastes and interests? More men than women listen to idm for the same reason more men than women like to stick their heads under the hoods of their cars when something goes wrong. There's an intense, convoluted process going on in each and men are culturally (or otherwise) predisposed to desiring an understanding of that process (or at least pretending they do). Still, I've turned a couple ex-girlfriends of mine on to Aphex, Autechre and such...and I do not exaggerate when I say that almost *every* girl I've ever played one of Aphex's "Selected Ambient Works" discs for has loved it. .------------------------------------------------------------------------. | nm: nickworthington | ml: nworth1@umbc.edu | "Gott wuerfelt nicht!" ae | |------------------------------------------------------------------------| | http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~nworth1 | [.sig_gn] @ 17:00:00 EST on 12.21.96 | `------------------------------------------------------------------------'
1997-01-13 17:22AnastasiaAt 09:03 AM 1/13/97 -0800, Aimee Merritt wrote: >It's this kind of condescending bullshit
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Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:22:27 -0500
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At 09:03 AM 1/13/97 -0800, Aimee Merritt wrote:
quoted 7 lines It's this kind of condescending bullshit that causes most of the females>It's this kind of condescending bullshit that causes most of the females >on the list to lurk rather than post. Guess what? We don't need the male >members of the species to turn us on to "intense, convoluted" things. >We are all quite capable of discovering music on our own. In fact, I >would say that I have managed to convert quite a large number of males >to this music that, according to some, is so convoluted that I can't quite >understand it.
whoah, looks like i entered this list (yesterday) at a prime time. would someone mind briefing me on what was said to warrant this response (you can send the mail to me rather than dragging the whole list through it again)... do i hear that someone has been making blanket statements? i guess ill hold off on any opinion i may have already formed until i get the story. but from what i heard from this one post, aimee seems to have a point. after all, i am me and my boyfriend (or s.o.) is my boyfriend. Goddess @ the gate ------------------------------------------------------ "last night i was inside of you... last night while i made love to you i saw the sun, the moon, the mountains and the rivers... i saw heaven when i made sweet love to you."
1997-01-14 09:05Nick WorthingtonOn Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Aimee Merritt wrote: ]It's this kind of condescending bullshit that c
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Tue, 14 Jan 1997 04:05:07 -0500 (EST)
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On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Aimee Merritt wrote: ]It's this kind of condescending bullshit that causes most of the females Um...I wasn't condescending. You seem awfully defensive here...sure you don't have something to prove? ]on the list to lurk rather than post. Guess what? We don't need the male ]members of the species to turn us on to "intense, convoluted" things. ]We are all quite capable of discovering music on our own. In fact, I I didn't say that women couldn't understand the music, I was attempting to explain the (alleged) lack of women on the list by saying that the nature of the music generally appeals more to men -- the way it sounds has traditionally drawn a male-dominated audience. Think of the concept this way: How many men do you know that are Barry Manilow fans? Michael Bolton fans? ]would say that I have managed to convert quite a large number of males ]to this music that, according to some, is so convoluted that I can't quite ]understand it. Thank you for so kindly putting words in my mouth. I never said women couldn't understand idm. I pointed out a parallel in the fact that men are more likely to know the innards of a car, NOT because they are smarter, but because that is a norm in our society. Women are just as capable as men at fixing cars, they are just not as inclined to do so. ]It is also completely erroneous to assume that all we like is the "gentle" ]stuff like SAW 2 and, as is implied below, that we only like it because ]some guy turned us on to it. Why would anyone assume that? I was merely reporting back the statistics that I had observed during the course of my interest in idm. I made no statement implying that the girls I know who like idm listen exclusively to "gentle" idm. You've conjured up this crap, making it out like I'm on some kind of crusade to prove the superiority of the male gender, when in fact the minds of both genders are equally evolved amd equally potentious. ]said, "Wow! Your boyfriend sure has a lot of records/cds." Perhaps ]what we should be examining is what exactly makes men think that ]females are incapable of having their own tastes and interests? Perhaps you should examine why you're ready to lynch me and my entire extended family when I make no statements defamatory of the female gender. About: ]Still, I've turned a couple ex-girlfriends of mine on to Aphex, Autechre ]and such...and I do not exaggerate when I say that almost *every* girl ]I've ever played one of Aphex's "Selected Ambient Works" discs for has ]loved it. - this has just been my experience so far. I haven't ever met a girl who's turned me on to new music. Probably at some point in my life it'll happen. Right now, I'm merely one human being telling it like it is. .------------------------------------------------------------------------. | nm: nickworthington | ml: nworth1@umbc.edu | "Gott wuerfelt nicht!" ae | |------------------------------------------------------------------------| | http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~nworth1 | [.sig_gn] @ 17:00:00 EST on 12.21.96 | `------------------------------------------------------------------------'
1997-01-15 21:19Benjamin A. WoznickiWould all you people get off this male/female bullshit. I really don't give a rat's ass ab
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Wed, 15 Jan 1997 16:19:07 -0500
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Would all you people get off this male/female bullshit. I really don't give a rat's ass about whether or not the people I am discussing a particular issue is a man or a woman. When everyone gets bent out of shape over how much one sex posts compared to another they really need something better to do with their time. When it all comes down, there is one reason why were are all here. It is because we supposedly care about the music and its journey. It's not because we're men and as such better or we are women and therefore better. If you hate men or hate women go take your animosities elsewhere and let everyone else get back to the real issues. To be quite honest with you I know very few people personally who enjoy the same music I do. When I do though I find them in the oddest places. As an example, my friend Tawana, who I work with, just told me she's into house music. Now it is not to the same extent as me but that's ok. I'm sure given time she'll see the beauty other, deeper forms provide. The point is this: Leave the suprificial stuff alone, quit giving attention to irrelivent stuff like some have been doing lately. Enjoy each other and the music as long as you can.