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1996-08-07 17:02Per Christian Frankplads (idm) In the mix/Orb + Black Dog in mono/Luke Slater
├─ 1996-08-07 19:26pH Re: (idm) In the mix/Orb + Black Dog in mono/Luke Slater
└─ 1996-08-15 11:31Che Re: (idm) In the mix/Orb + Black Dog in mono/Luke Slater
└─ 1996-08-15 21:33Mark Kolmar Re: (idm) In the mix
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1996-08-07 17:02Per Christian FrankpladsJon Drukman <jsd@cyborganic.com>: > mixing on headphones is one of the worst ways to mix..
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Jon Drukman <jsd@cyborganic.com>:
quoted 3 lines mixing on headphones is one of the worst ways to mix... crap speakers> mixing on headphones is one of the worst ways to mix... crap speakers > will lead to crap mixes... i finally bought a bargain basement set of > studio monitors last year and the difference was like night and day.
Agreed. You have absolutely no control of what will come out of a couple of speakers when you mix with a headset. Buy a pair of decent studio monitors or move, Mark. And have anybody else discovered this: "Auntie Aubrey's..." and "Music for adverts..." are, it seems, in mono? I can't make out a single stereo track on either of them! No panning at all. Anybody else noticed this? I have the promo versions of both discs, that may explain something. Re: Luke Slater, the last thing I got from him was a remix of Alter Ego on Harthouse. ("Luke Slater & The 2 Lone Swordsmen decode the hacker myth".) Completely non-relevant: Why can't I never seem to be able to unsvbscribe from you guys? You write too much and take up too much of my 'precious' time, yet I can't send that one final mail. Hm. Per Christian Frankplads (ADDRESS) Bogstadveien 34 - N-0366 OSLO - Norway (PHONE) +47-22463422 (FAX) +47-22172598 (E-MAIL) pcf@pobox.com (PAGER) +47-96764780
1996-08-07 19:26pH> > mixing on headphones is one of the worst ways to mix... crap speakers > > will lead to
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Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:26:41 -0400 (EDT)
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quoted 7 lines mixing on headphones is one of the worst ways to mix... crap speakers> > mixing on headphones is one of the worst ways to mix... crap speakers > > will lead to crap mixes... i finally bought a bargain basement set of > > studio monitors last year and the difference was like night and day. > > Agreed. You have absolutely no control of what will come out of a couple > of speakers when you mix with a headset. Buy a pair of decent studio > monitors or move, Mark.
At the same time it's not a bad idea to play something through a set of mediocre stereo speakers before mastering especially in the case of something more in the idm vein. paul.
1996-08-15 11:31CheOn Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Per Christian Frankplads wrote: > Jon Drukman <jsd@cyborganic.com>: >
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On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Per Christian Frankplads wrote:
quoted 9 lines Jon Drukman <jsd@cyborganic.com>:> Jon Drukman <jsd@cyborganic.com>: > > > mixing on headphones is one of the worst ways to mix... crap speakers > > will lead to crap mixes... i finally bought a bargain basement set of > > studio monitors last year and the difference was like night and day. > > Agreed. You have absolutely no control of what will come out of a couple > of speakers when you mix with a headset. Buy a pair of decent studio > monitors or move, Mark.
Bollocks! I've got friends who get great mixes on crap equipment. One uses $15 Sony headphones and a 15" Fender bassbin. The other uses $50 Koss headphones and a $50 boombox. One of these guys is on Strictly Rhythm. Some people know how to mix and some don't. If you know how to mix and cann make stuff sound good on crap equipment then it will sound good on any equipment. If you don't know how to mix then $1000 worth of speakers won't help.
quoted 4 lines And have anybody else discovered this: "Auntie Aubrey's..." and "Music> And have anybody else discovered this: "Auntie Aubrey's..." and "Music for > adverts..." are, it seems, in mono? I can't make out a single stereo track > on either of them! No panning at all. Anybody else noticed this? I have > the promo versions of both discs, that may explain something.
Are we talking CD? This sucks. Che
1996-08-15 21:33Mark KolmarThe big problem mixing to headphones is it can be very easy to overdo the bass because you
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Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:33:16 -0500 (CDT)
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The big problem mixing to headphones is it can be very easy to overdo the bass because you don't get the same tactile feedback as with speakers. I strongly advise comparing the mix on two or more sets of headphones, good speakers when possible, and crap speakers as well. The problem with good speakers is they may show no sign of strain, when the same signal on OK speakers might be more than they can handle gracefully (or at all, for that matter). It's also possible to become so familiar with what you are hearing on your headphones that you can accurately guage what will happen on the way to the speakers. As Che say, some people know how to make a mix, some don't. Creating a groove and creating a tight mix are two different skills. --Mark __ http://www.xnet.com/~mkolmar/BurningRome "Two people making same kind of music is one music too many." -- John Cage On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Che wrote:
quoted 16 lines On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Per Christian Frankplads wrote:> On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Per Christian Frankplads wrote: > > Jon Drukman <jsd@cyborganic.com>: > > > mixing on headphones is one of the worst ways to mix... crap speakers > > > will lead to crap mixes... i finally bought a bargain basement set of > > > studio monitors last year and the difference was like night and day. > > Agreed. You have absolutely no control of what will come out of a couple > > of speakers when you mix with a headset. Buy a pair of decent studio > > monitors or move, Mark. > Bollocks! I've got friends who get great mixes on crap equipment. One > uses $15 Sony headphones and a 15" Fender bassbin. The other uses $50 > Koss headphones and a $50 boombox. One of these guys is on Strictly Rhythm. > > Some people know how to mix and some don't. If you know how to mix and > cann make stuff sound good on crap equipment then it will sound good on > any equipment. If you don't know how to mix then $1000 worth of speakers > won't help.