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1996-08-15 11:32Che (idm) IDMer's Guide to Drum&Bass
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1996-08-15 11:32CheIf you're looking to get into D&B, just buy TPower & work your way down the list. Of cours
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If you're looking to get into D&B, just buy TPower & work your way down the list. Of course comps are good for getting a taste of a large number of artists to zero in on who you like. Just so you know, I can't stand D&B with divas, toasting, too much reggae (not enough dub), or cheesy pianos. Here's my take: TPower - the most IDMish of the bunch. "Synthesis" track on the new "Police State" single would pass for IDM with most people on this list. Also check out "Self-Evident Truth of the Intuitive Mind". This is the CD that made me realize that D&B is the leading edge in electronic music. NO divas on TPower, but an occasional Bladerunner, THX1138, Bugs Bunny, or Noam Chomsky sample. A Guy Called Gerald - Gerald Simpson may have been responsible for the industrial sound of 808State's "Newbuild", judging from some of the harder tracks on this one. Warning: a few divas, and a few guys singing, one on an outright R&B track (but the best, least formulaic R&B I've heard in years). This album is all over the place, but very, very good. Also check out his "Everglades Mix" of the Orb's "Oxbow Lakes". Spring Heel Jack - no divas, very sample-based, very smoove on the new "68 Million Shades..." album. Very, very good, recommended for the IDM set. Still looking for "There Are Strings" album - features lots of string sounds, I've been told. They wrote "Walking Wounded" with Everything But The Girl, and have an excellent track on "Macro Dub Infection". 4Hero/Jacob's Optical Stairway/Tek9/NuEra - Mark & Dego seem to be the most prolific dudes on the D&B scene. They occasionally use a diva, sometimes as a sample, sometimes in a weird crossover attempt. I'd say JOS is the most IDM friendly. Tek9's "Not What You Think It Is" lives up to its name. Disc 1 is Trip-Hop, Disc 2 is D&B. My guess is that when they landed the R&S deal, they decided to release their alternative D&B as JOS, their more straightforward D&B as 4Hero, and their Trip-Hop as Tek9. Tek9's D&B disc is a fascinating exhumation of the history of Hardcore/Jungle/D&B (one track features a furiously sped up "Funky Drummer" sample!) Scary. NuEra is supposed to be more Detroit style Techno, but I haven't heard it yet. 4Hero's "Parallel Universe" is also quite good, especially the track with a sample that says "We could go and terraform Mars...which is a shame, because we really need to terraform Earth". They also have a track on Macro Dub Infection. Subtropic - proves that D&B can be done in America. A little more industrial sounding. No divas, really, but stuff like a sample of "No pain, baby no gain" repeating over & over. IDM city. LTJ Bukem - "Logical Progression" is very smmoove. The mix CD is well done, though he drags some shit out too longg. Looking for more. Squarepusher - I've been ignoring this guy because he's on Rephlex. Maybe now that he's on Warp I'll buy something. Photek - I've heard one track, but his name pops up alot. I'll buy more. Plug - waiting for Plugs 1 & 2 on CD, man. Everything But The Girl - more genre bending than Goldie by far. Sure to piss off the purist, but fuck the purists who'd keep the genre from mutating into the next big thing. Ben Watt is doing more to get D&B played in the heart of America than anyone on the planet. I saw 20,000 pretty normal people sit through 45 minutes of D&B. Maybe someday I'll hear D&B on the radio or TV. "Keep our music underground, wah, wah, wah"...I for one am sick and tired of hearing crap guitar music everywhere I go. Let D&B take over the planet. I'm ready. Check out the Dave Wallace remix of "Walking Wounded" on the CDS, BTW. Goldie - too much fucking diva action. D&B for House fans. Omni Trio - divas, bad pianos, & cheesy strings, but some good beats. Still, I'll give the new one a listen before I write him off. Roni Size - a follower, not a leader. Some comps I play often: Logical Progression, Music For The Revolutionary Generation, Macro Dub Infection (a weird mix of D&B, Dub, and hard to pigeonhole electronica). Some comps I play occasionally: ArtCore, Intelligent Drum&Bass Vol.1 on Strictly Underground. Some comps I never play & would like to sell: Jungle Massive (FFRR), Nu Skool Flava (SOUR), Drum&Bass Selection Vol.5 (?). Comps I'll keep due to one track: Jungle Techno 4. This one features the original D&B "Natural High" track by Chaos & Julia Set, which is yet another name for Global Communication. You've probably heard the ultra-smoove Trip-Hop remix on "Remotion", but you HAVE to hear the orignal. This is a dark, very dark track that starts inducing an altered state of consciousness when it hits the breakdown. Just fucking amazing, blows "Links" away. FWIW, I've quit buying most IDM stuff, except for Autechre, Black Dog, Global Communication, Sun Electric, Orb, and a few others. The IDM scene has just gotten too stale and orthodox for me. Che PS Thanks to my friend Free for turning me on to this shit.
1996-08-15 20:27Kent WilliamsOn Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Che wrote: > If you're looking to get into D&B, just buy TPower & wor
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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Che wrote:
quoted 4 lines If you're looking to get into D&B, just buy TPower & work your way down> If you're looking to get into D&B, just buy TPower & work your way down > the list. > > Some comps I play often: Logical Progression,
I got this and would sell it. Some really like it, but for me there's too much in the way of unvaried breaks.
quoted 4 lines Comps I'll keep due to one track: Jungle Techno 4. This one features the> > Comps I'll keep due to one track: Jungle Techno 4. This one features the > original D&B "Natural High" track by Chaos & Julia Set, which is yet another > name for Global Communication.
'Natural High' is a truly great track, but this compilation is one of my all time favorites in the D&B genre. Each track is an excellent example of a different shade of jungle. No duff tracks, great breaks. Does the name 'Jungle Tekno 4' mean there are others in this series,and are any of the others this good? It also has the "BLOOD CLOT CRACKIN" and "Riots were reported in London" samples that seem to turn up all over. --------------------------------------------------------------------- "I read Keyboard, but it's like staring at a book with pictures of simple looking but expensive machines." -- Michael Lazarev NEW CD Comp Electronic Music Project http://soli.inav.net/~kent/emp.html Kent Williams kent@inav.net CADSI 2651 Crosspark Road Coralville IA 52241 (319) 338 6053 (home) (319) 626 6700 x 219 (work) (319) 626 3489 (fax)
1996-08-15 21:28Zenon M. FeszczakDon't forget "In Order to Dance 6", a tasty textural d&b trip. 3
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Don't forget "In Order to Dance 6", a tasty textural d&b trip. 3
1996-08-15 21:00Jon DrukmanAt 11:32 AM +0000 8/15/96, Che wrote: >Photek - I've heard one track, but his name pops up
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At 11:32 AM +0000 8/15/96, Che wrote:
quoted 1 line Photek - I've heard one track, but his name pops up alot. I'll buy more.>Photek - I've heard one track, but his name pops up alot. I'll buy more.
"hidden camera" is very good.
quoted 1 line Plug - waiting for Plugs 1 & 2 on CD, man.>Plug - waiting for Plugs 1 & 2 on CD, man.
they've been out for months. "drum n bass for papa" is growing on me steadily as well.
quoted 4 lines Maybe someday I'll hear D&B on the radio or TV. "Keep our>Maybe someday I'll hear D&B on the radio or TV. "Keep our >music underground, wah, wah, wah"...I for one am sick and tired of hearing >crap >guitar music everywhere I go. Let D&B take over the planet. I'm ready.
right on brother!!!
quoted 2 lines Some comps I never play & would like to sell: Jungle Massive (FFRR), Nu Skool>Some comps I never play & would like to sell: Jungle Massive (FFRR), Nu Skool >Flava (SOUR), Drum&Bass Selection Vol.5 (?).
does that SOUR comp have "machines" by doc scott on it? that track, to me, is the epitome of intelligent d 'n' b. it's wonderfully dark with sharp, complicated rhythm programming. almost industrial, in fact. i love it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Drukman jsd@cyborganic.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------
1996-08-15 21:26Gonzalo MerchanHaven't noticed anyone mention a comp. I've been listening to alot lately. It's called Tec
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Haven't noticed anyone mention a comp. I've been listening to alot lately. It's called Tech' Steppin', and it's on Emotif. It's a wicked collection of experimental darkcore stuff, really hard, not for the faint of heart. Anyone else have this? /""'' /"'RESH Live and Direct from the G-Spot Orange County, California, USA
1996-08-16 01:46Maarten D. Schermer>If you're looking to get into D&B, just buy TPower & work your way down >the list. Of cou
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quoted 4 lines If you're looking to get into D&B, just buy TPower & work your way down>If you're looking to get into D&B, just buy TPower & work your way down >the list. Of course comps are good for getting a taste of a large number >of artists to zero in on who you like. Just so you know, I can't stand >D&B with divas, toasting, too much reggae (not enough dub), or cheesy
Don't forget Source Direct - The Crane, Snake Style and Stonekiller are masterpieces of spooky & creepy d'n'b. Also Feel My Dreams which they did in their Mirage guise. All only on 12" vinyl, but they seem to have signed to Virgin, so maybe there will be an album on CD soon. Trainspotter alert: the new 12", Stonekiller, has a very obvious (and well placed) Aphex Twin sample (something from SAW II)
1996-08-16 01:14g3On Fri, 16 Aug 1996 01:46:07 +0200 (MET DST), "Maarten D. Schermer" <slavlab@xs4all.nl> wr
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On Fri, 16 Aug 1996 01:46:07 +0200 (MET DST), "Maarten D. Schermer" <slavlab@xs4all.nl> wrote:
quoted 2 lines their Mirage guise. All only on 12" vinyl, but they seem to have signed to>their Mirage guise. All only on 12" vinyl, but they seem to have signed to >Virgin,
yes they have.
quoted 3 lines so maybe there will be an album on CD soon. Trainspotter alert: the>so maybe there will be an album on CD soon. Trainspotter alert: the >new 12", Stonekiller, has a very obvious (and well placed) Aphex Twin sample >(something from SAW II)
really? that's *very* interesting news ;) Is it as 'good' as that ridiculously cheeky SAWII with the half assed looped break over it track on Mr.Bukem's "progressive and innovative" compilation? g. Nightmare walking? Dunno what you're talking about mate! :)
1996-08-16 12:48Maarten D. Schermer>>so maybe there will be an album on CD soon. Trainspotter alert: the >>new 12", Stonekill
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quoted 5 lines so maybe there will be an album on CD soon. Trainspotter alert: the>>so maybe there will be an album on CD soon. Trainspotter alert: the >>new 12", Stonekiller, has a very obvious (and well placed) Aphex Twin sample >>(something from SAW II) > >really? that's *very* interesting news ;)
It is, isn't it? It gets even better: the sample in the Source Direct track has been slightly sped up compared to the Aphex original. Always on the look out for cosmic constants, I samples the bits of both, and worked out the time-stretch ratio to go from the Aphex bit to the SD sample. Guess what?? 1,298701298701!!! Which is nearly exactly 1 / 0.77; and 77 being the Warp catalogue number of the Woodenspoon 12", I therefore MUST conclude that Woodenspoon is in fact Source Direct. Now, this.. [STOP RIGHT THERE - Ed.]
quoted 3 lines Is it as 'good' as that ridiculously cheeky SAWII with the half assed>Is it as 'good' as that ridiculously cheeky SAWII with the half assed >looped break over it track on Mr.Bukem's "progressive and innovative" >compilation?
Er... didn't spot that one, so this one must be even more obvious (we're talking about a track from Logical Progression, yes?). But - hey - when SAW II came out I hated it for the lack of beats, so maybe that's why I don't mind a bit of obvious sampling. Damn, I just checked the SAW II tracklisting - I was kinda hoping it would a sample be from either "Weathered stone" or "Stone in focus", you know, SD being really clever boys and calling their track STONEkiller and all?? Geddit? Geddit?? Oh, never mind... Maarten, feeling somewhat boring on now: Disco Inferno - Technicolour
1996-08-16 16:37Brian J. Tang> > does that SOUR comp have "machines" by doc scott on it? that track, to me, > is the ep
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quoted 5 lines does that SOUR comp have "machines" by doc scott on it? that track, to me,> > does that SOUR comp have "machines" by doc scott on it? that track, to me, > is the epitome of intelligent d 'n' b. it's wonderfully dark with sharp, > complicated rhythm programming. almost industrial, in fact. i love it. >
There are 2 tracks by Doc Scott on the MetalHeadz Platinum Breaks 2LP. I thought this set had some filler material on it, but I really dug his two tracks. Does he have any plans for an LP anytime soon? On now: Orbital, In Sides Brian +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Enquiring minds want to know. Like Mine +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1996-08-16 20:01Otto KoppiusOn Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:48:42 +0200 (MET DST, Maarten D. Schermer <slavlab@xs4all.nl> wrote
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On Fri, 16 Aug 1996 12:48:42 +0200 (MET DST, Maarten D. Schermer <slavlab@xs4all.nl> wrote:
quoted 13 lines so maybe there will be an album on CD soon. Trainspotter alert: the>>>so maybe there will be an album on CD soon. Trainspotter alert: the >>>new 12", Stonekiller, has a very obvious (and well placed) Aphex Twin sample >>>(something from SAW II) >> >>really? that's *very* interesting news ;) > >It is, isn't it? It gets even better: the sample in the Source Direct track >has been slightly sped up compared to the Aphex original. Always on the look >out for cosmic constants, I samples the bits of both, and worked out the >time-stretch ratio to go from the Aphex bit to the SD sample. Guess what?? >1,298701298701!!! Which is nearly exactly 1 / 0.77; and 77 being the Warp >catalogue number of the Woodenspoon 12", I therefore MUST conclude that >Woodenspoon is in fact Source Direct. Now, this.. [STOP RIGHT THERE - Ed.]
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