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quoted 3 lines When you describe music as intelligent "this" or "that" it doesn'

> When you describe music as intelligent "this" or "that" it doesn't really > describe any quality or characteristic of the music. It just shows you either > lack the vocabulary or the lack of knowledge about music to truly describe it.

Supposely intelligent dance music is actually refering to the experience you have with music. The term intelligent is saying that actually the music is intended to be experienced with your mind and not with your body. Music in raves like goa etc has to be experienced with your whole body and mind but it's not only a mind experience. IDM has to be something that you have to live with your mind first. Most persons that are into IDM i believe are not rave persons and rave persons are not really found of IDM expect to sit back an relax because the experience of both music is different. IDM is not dancefloor music. Dimitri <www.hushush.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I might be wrong, but when I first heard the term 'intelligent techno' used outside of a description a friend and I used to describe some of the music we liked... I immediately thought it was a good way to seperate serious electronic music listeners from the folks that just want a heavy bass beat to bump their dance partner with on the weekends. Not that I hate all of that booty-techno or anything, but in '93/'94, it wasn't really sufficient anymore to just tell someone you liked 'techno' music when discussing music. I didn't walk around saying 'intelligent techno' either really, it *is* kind of a pretentious term, but 'serious techno' would have been better I think. I don't know.. like I said, I might be wrong. I am from time to time. I think it's meant to be a vague term, and I think (unlike many on this list) that IDM can cover some of LTJ Bukem's stuff, as well as Underworld and even most of the Ninjatune catalog. I believe that LTJ Bukem can fit in for the same reason as Mr Scruff can fit in, because the music is thoughtful, well put together, and dance floor friendly. No matter how many people would respond and declare that it can only be IDM if it has "that autechre/mouse on mars/plaid/early-aphex twin sound", I will still feel like that is pidgeon holing this entire scene. Oh well, that's my email for the week.

quoted 1 line When you describe music as intelligent "this" or "that" it doesn'

>When you describe music as intelligent "this" or "that" it doesn't really

describe any quality or characteristic of the music. It just shows you either lack the vocabulary or the lack of knowledge about music to truly describe it.

quoted 2 lines I have heard Ltj Bukem/Good Looking Records described on this list as

> >I have heard Ltj Bukem/Good Looking Records described on this list as

"intelligent" jungle. Why?

quoted 2 lines Because you like it? It's just a little prettier and atmospheric. It's not

> >Because you like it? It's just a little prettier and atmospheric. It's not

technically superior or harder to make. You could argue that it's less dancefloor oriented...but I think that's a weak argument.

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--- guai-lo <jotai@mindspring.com> wrote:

quoted 9 lines I might be wrong, but when I first heard the term

> I might be wrong, but when I first heard the term > 'intelligent techno' used > outside of a description a friend and I used to > describe some of the music > we liked... I immediately thought it was a good way > to seperate serious > electronic music listeners from the folks that just > want a heavy bass beat > to bump their dance partner with on the weekends.

I think we have all used the term "intelligent" at some point. Back in the days you described there wasn't alot of terminology for electronic music. Since then there have been many more subgenres, (which helps to describe/compare), and expanded terminology. I hate to pick on this one phrase (but it's appropriate)...someone refered to some artist as "more intelligent dub techno" than other artists. I think this list throws the word intelligent around a little too much. It's not very descriptive (vague), and sounds pretty pompous. Whenever I have said IDM to a nonlist member, I have to describe it in great detail, because "intelligent" really says nothing about the music. So it takes twice as long to explain or describe

quoted 5 lines Not that I hate all of

> Not that I hate all of > that booty-techno or anything, but in '93/'94, it > wasn't really sufficient > anymore to just tell someone you liked 'techno' > music when discussing music.

I fully understand, we use to describe stuff as experimental techno, more heady music, abstract, etc. etc.

quoted 4 lines I didn't walk around saying 'intelligent techno'

> I didn't walk around saying 'intelligent techno' > either really, it *is* kind > of a pretentious term, but 'serious techno' would > have been better I think.

If someone said "serious techno", I might of thought of someone like Surgeon or Jeff Mills. To me that was some serious stuff :) But I know what you mean...

quoted 18 lines I don't know.. like I said, I might be wrong. I am

> I don't know.. like I said, I might be wrong. I am > from time to time. I > think it's meant to be a vague term, and I think > (unlike many on this list) > that IDM can cover some of LTJ Bukem's stuff, as > well as Underworld and even > most of the Ninjatune catalog. I believe that LTJ > Bukem can fit in for the > same reason as Mr Scruff can fit in, because the > music is thoughtful, well > put together, and dance floor friendly. No matter > how many people would > respond and declare that it can only be IDM if it > has "that autechre/mouse > on mars/plaid/early-aphex twin sound", I will still > feel like that is > pidgeon holing this entire scene. Oh well, that's > my email for the week.

I never really pay much attention to what is considered IDM, because I figure it's quality electronic music...it's worth talking about. ===== Listen to Swope Transmissions Friday 6-9pm (Pacific) http://kuci.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

In a message dated 1/02/00 10:34:45 w_technoir@yahoo.com writes:

quoted 1 line "more intelligent dub techno"

> "more intelligent dub techno"

Actually misquoted from the original post, and as usual - misinterpreted, which is common fuel for this list. What I said was: "Upon retrospect this EP commands more an intelligent dub techno approach..." RE: Rapaciolli EP posted 27/01/00 3:24:33 I *Do Not* refer to this EP as being more intelligent than others, just that it *commands more* - the intelligent approach espoused by the class producers of this sound. By this I mean that it really *highlights* this unique form of music. Why can't people just accept that the notion of intelligence with a particular form of music that it sounds the way it does because it may *move* the mind in certain ways. (check out also certain forms of jazz and classical for mental effect) A_Zed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

-- Cesium5Hz@aol.com wrote:

quoted 8 lines In a message dated 1/02/00 10:34:45

> In a message dated 1/02/00 10:34:45 > w_technoir@yahoo.com writes: > > > "more intelligent dub techno" > > Actually misquoted from the original post, and as > usual - misinterpreted, > which is common fuel for this list.

I don't think it was really misquoted. It was an example of the way some people throw the word "intelligent" around.

quoted 14 lines What I said was:

> What I said was: > > "Upon retrospect this EP commands more an > intelligent dub techno approach..." > > RE: Rapaciolli EP posted 27/01/00 3:24:33 > > I *Do Not* refer to this EP as being more > intelligent than others, just that > it *commands more* - the intelligent approach > espoused by the class producers > of this sound. By this I mean that it really > *highlights* this unique form of > music.

The way you worded it, made it sound like it was "more intelligent dub techno" than other artists in that style. Perhaps you might of meant to say something like he takes it to another level or something like that. If so, at least that is alot more clear because I think people could take the word "intelligent" to mean many different things.

quoted 7 lines Why can't people just accept that the notion of

> Why can't people just accept that the notion of > intelligence with a > particular form of music that it sounds the way it > does because it may *move* > the mind in certain ways. (check out also certain > forms of jazz and classical > for mental effect)

As I'm sure you will probably agree, the way music "moves the mind" is very subjective. What moves one might do absolutely nothing to another. As we see examples of everyday on this list. Since there is no set definition on what "intelligent" means with music, it is still super vague as a description. Try using different adjectives you might find more people understand you. I'm not saying I don't understand you, I just think it's a stupid term to describe music. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

William Samuels wrote:

quoted 7 lines Since there is no set definition on what "intelligent"

>Since there is no set definition on what "intelligent" >means with music, it is still super vague as a >description. Try using different adjectives you might >find more people understand you. > >I'm not saying I don't understand you, I just think >it's a stupid term to describe music.

Only because its use will cause somebody with a single-digit IQ to feel insecure and post an email complaining about how pretentious sounding it is...

quoted 4 lines When you describe music as intelligent "this" or "that" it doesn'

>When you describe music as intelligent "this" or "that" it doesn't >really describe any quality or characteristic of the music. It just >shows you either lack the vocabulary or the lack of knowledge about >music to truly describe it.

Yeah, fuck you too. When you choose to broach "The I in IDM", "Women in IDM", "Vinyl VS CD", or any of the handful of subjects which have previously been discussed ad nauseum, it just shows you are either aggressively ignorant of the history of this list or have a complete and total contempt for the members of this list. I've been on this list for at least 5 years, maybe 6. I remember when I used to read about more good music than I could afford to buy. Now it's a constant barrage of crap like this. Perhaps because there's no IDM worth discussing. At least that seems to be the consensus amongst the longtime IDM-heads I know. Irene, Jeff Klein, Jeff Davis, Kent, Lazlo, Zenon, Ernesto, Solenoid, Brap, Bobby Tribble, David J., Dave Walker, Ninjas, and everyone I've left out - it's been fun. I hope to see you elsewhere in cyberspace. I'm outta here. Che NP: Beaumont Hannant - Tastes & Textures Vol. 1 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org