do you people spend alot of time thinking about this?
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Alex Quintana wrote:
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> >To: idm@hyperreal.org
> >From: Djneo00@aol.com
> >Subject: ok...what is IDM???
>
> >so what defines intelligence in today's dance music scene?!? when you
>
> Once again, due to the useless void of endless genre labels, there are
> several answers to this.
>
> If you mean "dance music" ala 'Ultimate Dance Mix' style compo cd's
> (ie. Ricky Martin style).. none :)
>
> but then if it's 'dance music' (as in meant for dancing) the answer would
> be none as well... I refer back to the explanation that IDM is for
> listening and not for dancing, although you may or may not be able to
> dance to it.
>
> >that wrote the track? electronic music should be labeled
> >intelligent, as it takes some skill and "intelligence" for the
> >programming, sequencing, and recording aspect of the track.
>
> if that's the case. 98% of electronic music would not be labeled IDM :)
>
> and even some IDM would not be labeled as IDM ;)
>
> [ [ [ flame shields at 100% ] ] ]
>
> another factor you might add is not simply skill, but also the amount of
> work put into a track. there are a lot of people out there putting loops
> together and putting them out.
>
> but that cannot be a genre, because the same could be said about any style
> of music (though conventional styles tend to require a lot of work before
> you get anything done at all, since there's not really cut'n'paste when
> doing things the old fashioned way)
>
> Somehow it seems that IDM is thought of as a 'quality' of music, rather
> than a genre..
>
> If someone says a jungle track is house, you can say "No, it isn't." and
> it probably won't start a flame war, but someone says such and such is
> IDM, and then suddenly you're dodging fireballs.
>
> Maybe this is widely known (I've never heard anyone bring it up).. but if
> you put say.. Sven V?th's Scorpio's Movement next to Aemic's ADSL
> track.. There is a HUGE difference in the style of music. Same is true for
> a lot of the other electronic music styles and I think this is what IDM
> is.. A seperate genre of music from all the rest, which is not under any
> other genre (maybe electronic? since it IS electronic, but then there's
> some ambient out there that has a lot of acoustic stuff, another question
> posed.. Is ambient IDM?) but generally it's on its own plane. Doesn't
> belong to any other genre.. It may borrow from the others, and its artists
> may dabble with other genres (ie. Wagon Christ and downtempo/triphop) and
> then those tracks are also called IDM, but pure IDM sounds nothing like
> those genres. That may even be stupid .. but it's true that the majority
> of stuff from Skam, Musik Aus Strom, Schematic, etc.. does not sound
> anything like any other styels of electronic music out there, unless you
> want to label it 'Autechre-ish' or relate it to some other artist in such
> fashion.
>
> and what happens is that other tracks that sound like those dabbles of the
> IDM artists are also called IDM, and then you get a very blurry blurry
> line of what is and what isn't IDM.. what can be called, and what can't be
> called IDM, etc.
>
> Now this leads me to something else many people think. The name
> 'Intelligent Dance Music' can be understood to say that music that is not
> IDM is inferior. The answer to that is an individualistic one that depends
> on the person's viewpoint.
>
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