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1995-08-25 19:44John BranchWhether or not IDM is too tame, I think, depends on the definition. If IDM is defined stri

From:: John Branch <beatphreak@mail.utexas.edu>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 14:44:38 -0500
Subject:: Re: IDM is too tame

Whether or not IDM is too tame, I think, depends on the definition. If IDM is defined strictly within the confines of the original Warp AI concept and discussion is limited to smoothed out, mellow techno of this variety, then, yes, IDM has perhaps lost innovation. If, otoh, IDM means Intelligent Dance Music, then there is lots of stuff that is out there blowing my mind. Jungle crossovers, jazz crossovers, trip-hop (I hate that term), etc. There's the lounge fusion of Jimi Tenor and Jake S., jungle remixes of Mo' Wax, Mo' Wax Excursions, stuff like Jammin' Unit meets Chemical Dub, James Bong records, I could go on for hours. Anyway, just my 39¢ peace john on now: io:ADSR ________________________________________________________________________ The power of the dance is a dangerous power. Like other forms of self surrender, it is easier to begin than to stop. beatphreak@mail.utexas.edu john branch

1995-08-25 20:58booty> If, otoh, IDM means Intelligent Dance Music, then there is lots of stuff > that is out t

From:: booty <mike@organic.com>
To:: John Branch <beatphreak@mail.utexas.edu>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 13:58:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: IDM is too tame
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quoted 6 lines If, otoh, IDM means Intelligent Dance Music, then there is lots of stuff

> If, otoh, IDM means Intelligent Dance Music, then there is lots of stuff > that is out there blowing my mind. Jungle crossovers, jazz crossovers, > trip-hop (I hate that term), etc. There's the lounge fusion of Jimi Tenor > and Jake S., jungle remixes of Mo' Wax, Mo' Wax Excursions, stuff like > Jammin' Unit meets Chemical Dub, James Bong records, I could go on for > hours.

i fully agree - you might say that idm is becoming stagnant but i say it's as vibrant as ever with the fusion that's going on..i just think our definitions of what 'idm' encompasses has to shift a bit. mikebee

1995-08-25 22:41Dave ManningOn Fri, 25 Aug 1995, John Branch wrote: > If, otoh, IDM means Intelligent Dance Music, the

From:: Dave Manning <dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu>
To:: John Branch <beatphreak@mail.utexas.edu>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Fri, 25 Aug 1995 17:41:58 -0500 (CDT)
Subject:: Re: IDM is too tame
Reply to:: Re: IDM is too tame

On Fri, 25 Aug 1995, John Branch wrote:

quoted 6 lines If, otoh, IDM means Intelligent Dance Music, then there is lots of stuff

Thankfully, the IDM list has adapted quite well in this regard. I *never* would have picked up a Mo' Wax disc had not a couple of friendly employees at Record Time in Detroit crossreferenced _Headz_ with some of the more "classical" Detroit tunes I was listening to. I guess IDM is what we define it to be, and with people like Dave Walker, Kent Williams, Jon Drukman, etc., "straying" out of the Artificial Intelligence model with greater frequency, we all get a tast of something new. Dave .------------------------------------------dave.manning@dreamland.unomaha.edu | "There is no other reality dmanning@cwis.unomaha.edu | but our own...." dmanning@synergy.net .-------------------------------------------- dgmanning@aol.com

1995-08-26 15:31Erkki Rautio> Whether or not IDM is too tame, I think, depends on the definition. If IDM > is defined

From:: Erkki Rautio <trerra@uta.fi>
To:: John Branch <beatphreak@mail.utexas.edu>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 15:31:53 +0300 (EET DST)
Subject:: More xperimentation! (was: Re: IDM is too tame)
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quoted 11 lines Whether or not IDM is too tame, I think, depends on the definition. If IDM

> Whether or not IDM is too tame, I think, depends on the definition. If IDM > is defined strictly within the confines of the original Warp AI concept and > discussion is limited to smoothed out, mellow techno of this variety, then, > yes, IDM has perhaps lost innovation. > > If, otoh, IDM means Intelligent Dance Music, then there is lots of stuff > that is out there blowing my mind. Jungle crossovers, jazz crossovers, > trip-hop (I hate that term), etc. There's the lounge fusion of Jimi Tenor > and Jake S., jungle remixes of Mo' Wax, Mo' Wax Excursions, stuff like > Jammin' Unit meets Chemical Dub, James Bong records, I could go on for > hours.

Hmm, this discussion reminds me of the post I sent to the list a couple of weeks ago :) It's true that the genre must be shifting and be in a constant evolution to maintain its freshness and its being interesting for a curious and restless (in the Postmodernist sense a la Virilio, Baudrillard et al. ;) listener seeking for the new aural kicks... The advance of the IDM list, IMHO, is and should be that we are able to inform each other on what's happening _now_ - and, for me personally, what keeps me reading this list, to be honest, are NOT the continuing conversations/gossips/flame wars on the new AFX/Mu-Ziq/Orbital releases, since those people are _already_ established artists and actually need no more hype from any of us, IMO, (and I'm _really_ into all those mentioned names, BTW, so no flame intended to anyone) BUT those occasional pieces of information on the _new_ labels, artists, etc. we get from time to time thanks to those enlightened individuals kind enough to share them with us :) So just keep contributing, everyone. And talking about the "tameness" and the alleged predictability of some recent IDM releases, why don't you just check out the truly outrageous stuff, like the Japanese "noise" artists in the style of Merzbow; the pioneering electronic composers of the 50's and 60's like Karlheinz Stockhausen and the musique concrete (tape-music) man Pierre Schaffer; the early industrial experimentalists of the 70's and 80's like Boyd Rice, Throbbing Gristle and Einsturzende Neubauten; the jazz madness of Sun Ra, Pharaoh Saunders and John Zorn; etc. etc. etc. - the world is full of these weird sounds, so just to quote the good old Pete Kuhlmann: EXPLORE! :) To add my 0.023, ERkki Tampere, pHinland trerra@uta.fi

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