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quoted 19 lines Jazz is about the real feeling/energy made by free styling, improv musicians

> Jazz is about the real feeling/energy made by free styling, improv musicians >and the synchonisty between several improv players to bring out a fat, >cold/cool groove with depth, IMO. More than 90% of the 'acid-jazz' I've >heard(and I'm exposed to it quite often) is nothing more than pre-programed >sampled beats, samples of jazz looped to a beat and at most someone playing >some sort of solo(usually some form of saxaphone). What live/improv feeling >is there in that? Maybe I'm just too much of a snob purest? Who knows... I'd >like to think I'm open minded... I just dont think 'acid jazz' is true to >jazz's nature and roots. > > Good jazz? Thelonius Monk, Sun Ra, Charles Hayword, Dizzy Gilepsie, Charlie >Parker, Angello Badalamenti... > >I'll go crawl in some hole and breed now! > >dave wright >not breathing > >:) -hope I'm not offending too many people- :(

What acid jazz do you listen to? A friend of mine was in with the acid jazz crew when it started, he still keeps up with them on an occasional basis, ie gets invitted to the christmas party etc. In the past 6 months to a year, acid jazz has blown up really big, eg 100% Acid jazz and the greatest acid jazz album in the world ever compilations in ads on the telle, and the music on them is complete dross. It's completely different from real acid jazz, and is just another example of an underground scene getting fucked over by the majors. For real acid jazz check out early releases on Acid Jazz recs and Mo-Wax (listen to them before you buy as the quality varies greatly just like every scene. Mo-Wax is now releasing jungle style tracks. Try listening to something of Ninja-tune records (anything will do, as every release is excellent) and for more IDM stuff check out their sublabel NTone. Ninja-tune has excellent WWW pages, and Coldcut (who run the label) do a 'wicked' weekly radio show on Kiss 100 FM London, playing 'the broadest beats in London'. It always amazes me how they can play such a wide mix of music and I still love every tune. If you are against sampling then why do you s*bscribe to IDM, as sampling is undoubtedly at the heart of all dance music? As to your list of good jazz, what about Miles Davis, surely one of the greats? Peace and Love Nathan ################################################# #If you stand for nothing, you fall for anything# #################################################

I'd have to agree that acid jazz isn't really jazz. i've heard my share of acid jazz, mo' wax and ninjatune releases. I love the stuuf and buy everything i can get, but i also think its a misnomer to call it jazz. most of it is really just hip hop with someone playing a a live instrament over it which hardly qualifies as jazz. There is really very little free improvisation and IMO most of the horn playing is second rate. I think it becomes important to remember that when someone says they don't think there is much jazz in acid jazz it doesn't mean they are trying to disparage the sound. I love acid jazz and trip hop and have been buying stuff from coldcut since they started releasing stuff in the US and now the ninjatune and ntone stuff. I just think that if you sit down and listen to say the "Royalties Overdue" comp on Mo' Wax, which is 'jazzy' for sure, and then compare it to some straight up jazz you'd be at a loss to say their in the same class. Neither is better in any absolute sense. It just that if you program a symphonic peice on some synths and let it run are you now a classical musician? -- Mark Bowen mb@gettins.bche.uic.edu "The universe," said [the devil], "is a Ph.D thesis that God was unable to successfully defend." -James Morrow

Well, I think it's important to remember that when a lot of electronic dance fans call something "jazzy" it's in the adjective sense of the word (cool, mellow, sophisticated) and not in the noun sense of the word (improvised music). I can't really speak for a lot of acid jazz, but this seems to be the case when discussing techno, jungle et al. - Matthew "I grew up thinking that techno music is actually something that you can't imagine. That is techno at its best. If you hear something that you'd never expect to hear - that's techno. If you hear something that kind of sounds like you've heard it before, then it's not techno." - Jeff Mills

Um, excuse me but could we take this thread to another list or private e-mail. Acid Jazz is great and all but it doesn't belong here. I know I'm being a snob about the content of the list but if there was any content in this thread relavent to this list then I wouldn't complain. ObIDM: Did anybody ever answer about Scam #1? I was very curious about it. I have Gescom one and two but I'd like to know what the first Skam release is. On the Mark Broom tip, has anybody else heard the new single on New Electronica? Great stuff on there. Id give a better review but I'm out a turntable. :( All these beautiful records and nothing to play them on. -robert --> __ _ _ _____ _____ _____ / _\ | || || _ \|_ _|/ _ \ / /_\\ | -- || |_) | _| |_ | (_) | ______________ /______\\____/|_____/|_____|\_____/ ( *electronic* )

On Thu, 10 Aug 1995, Matthew Lehrer wrote:

quoted 4 lines Well, I think it's important to remember that when a lot of electronic

> Well, I think it's important to remember that when a lot of electronic > dance fans call something "jazzy" it's in the adjective sense of the word > (cool, mellow, sophisticated) and not in the noun sense of the word > (improvised music).

I'd agree, but I really think that to say "jazz" as a noun refers to improvised music is fairly sketchy, although lots of people seem to be saying so. I believe you are referring to a very small part of jazz, free jazz. *Most* jazz is, to the best of my knowledge, based on a structure, with improvised passages on top. I'd put acid jazz in that category. Often the structure in jazz is based on another song, so sampling passages to make acid jazz is consistent with that. If people want examples, I'll find them. And a little comment on Matthew's choice of .sig file, for those who are worried about acid jazz having low IDM content:

quoted 4 lines "I grew up thinking that techno music is actually something that you

> "I grew up thinking that techno music is actually something that you > can't imagine. That is techno at its best. If you hear something that > you'd never expect to hear - that's techno. If you hear something that > kind of sounds like you've heard it before, then it's not techno."

I find this an absolute joke. In the creation of genres of music, things get defined in styles by virtue of their similarities, not by their differences. If people are claiming that techno is very varied, I honestly think it is only because they are using an extremely broad definition of it. What if I had never heard Balinese gamelan, with absolutely no electronics involved whatsoever, and suddenly came across an orchestra performing that? Hey presto: it's techno at its best, according to the above idea. Sure, people like Jeff Mills (it was his quote wasn't it?) can make up their own definitions, but I don't think they're at all functional, in terms of being in line with other people's meaning of the word. I think it would be like me deciding that I'm going to use the word "motorbike" to mean "a state of forlorn, with vaguely sexual overtones". I've got every right too, but it is not at all useful. Michael (In grumpy bitter mode today :) ______________________________________________________________________________ "If I wasn't a giant cheese, I'd make you pay for that remark." scrot@sans.vuw.ac.nz (Michael Upton) - Pink and the Brain ______________________________________________________________________________