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Hi y'all, just thought I'd throw in a request for some opinions on where I can find dark IDM/ambient; real *scary* stuff. Something like track 11 on AFX/Analogue Bubblebath 3 (was on a Trance Europe Express compilation too). Yeah, I know about zoviet*france, Ambient 4, Scorn etc. but most have left me disappointed. Not enough headphuq there, I suppose .. :) Anyone wanna throw in their $.02? //j BTW: Can anybody give me some tips about good, recent FAX stuff? (Not necessarily scary ... :) I'm going to London in a couple of weeks, and I want to know which ones to look out for (getting FAX stuff in Sweden is nigh on impossible). -- +-----------------------------------------------+ | "Where's your child? Do you know?" | | Janne.Martensgard@mkv.mh.se | +-----------------------------------------------+

On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, Janne Martensgard wrote:

quoted 11 lines Hi y'all,

> Hi y'all, > > just thought I'd throw in a request for some opinions on where I can find dark > IDM/ambient; real *scary* stuff. > Something like track 11 on AFX/Analogue Bubblebath 3 (was on a Trance Europe > Express compilation too). Yeah, I know about zoviet*france, Ambient 4, Scorn > etc. but most have left me disappointed. Not enough headphuq there, I suppose > .. :) > > Anyone wanna throw in their $.02? >

When I am in a paticurally evil mood these artist tend to do pretty well to keep the mood alive (IDM) The Mover-The Final Sickness PCP records-full length lp-excellent Leo Anibaldi-ACV records Marco Mitchelli-ACV records Lory D-Sounds Never Seen-SNS Italy Mescalinum United-PCP records come to think of it most stuff on PCP Locust-R and S and others? Derek moses@teleport.com Inportland Techno Acid Ambient Mail Order DJ Rumpleforeskin Import Domestic Records-C.D.'s 0--\___/--\___/---0 phone/fax 503-620-3340 SUBMERGE TO THE DEEPEST DEPTHS IN ORDER THAT THE HIGHEST BE ELEVATED TO LIGHT *Alfred Rosenberg

I dunno about IDM, but some there's a lot of good scary music out there (the more evil music is, the more I like it). Here's a mixed list of psychedelic evil freakouts that run the gamut from ambient industrial all the way through raging hardcore techno: The PCP EP (R&S) [Derek probably left this one out because it's _impossible_ to find] 4D - Asclepias (especially Hidden) (Labworks) Alien Christ (PCP) Aphex Twin - Mescalinium United Remix EP (R&S) [The best mix didn't make it onto _Classics_] Aphex Twin - Xylem Tube EP (R&S) Bourbonnese Qualk - Unpop Bourbonnese Qualk - Qual Brainstorm (R&S) Coil - Horse Rotovator (Loci House) Coil - Scatology (Loci House) Current 93 - Dog's Blood Rising (World Serpent) Current 93 - Live at Bar Maldoror (World Serpent) Diesel M - M for Multiple (Chocci's Blue) Grey Tracks (X-Sight Tracks) [Actually a Joey Beltram alias] Inky Blacknuss (Sabrettes) Lagowski (Minus Habens) Lagowski - Europa & Europa Reprised EPs (GPR) Lassigue Bendthaus - Cloned (Kk) Lustmord - Heresy (Soleilmoon) Nurse With Wound - A Sucked Orange (United Dairies) Woody McBride & Alan Oldham - Telesender (Generator) not breathing (Visible) Olographic State (OOBR Italia) Skinny Puppy - Cleanse, Fold and Manipulate (Nettwerk) Teste - The Wipe (Probe / +8) Voice of Eye (Cyclotron) V/A - X-X Section (Extreme) Hopefully, at least a few of those would suit some of y'all. I think more people should listen to music like this. yrz, ozy ozymandias G desiderata personal info : http://www.mbc.umt.edu/ogd/ discographies : http://www.mbc.umt.edu/ogd/aaxz/discogs Missoula raves: http://www.mbc.umt.edu/ogd/aaxz/raves/

What's behind this recent fascination with "dark" ambient and "scary" IDM? It's certainly a twist on the old neo-hippie rave ideals. Is this a sign of the times or just a fad? There must be a lot of grumpy people out there. I find the trend interesting because I've gravitated AWAY from industrial and noise music and toward more postive/balanced stuff over the last few years. It's curious to see so many people headed in the other direction. This isn't meant as criticism; it's just an observation.

On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, Miles Egan wrote:

quoted 4 lines What's behind this recent fascination with "dark" ambient and

> What's behind this recent fascination with "dark" ambient and > "scary" IDM? It's certainly a twist on the old neo-hippie rave ideals. > Is this a sign of the times or just a fad? There must be a lot of grumpy > people out there.

What does this have to do with Neo-Hippie ideals? I see no connection between "dark" music and any hippie ideals...and there is not necessarily any connection between being interested in "dark" music and grumpiness. Whatever gave you that idea? Wondering where people get these ideas..... Tony

On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, Goethe wrote:

quoted 4 lines What does this have to do with Neo-Hippie ideals? I see no

> What does this have to do with Neo-Hippie ideals? I see no > connection between "dark" music and any hippie ideals...and there is > not necessarily any connection between being interested in "dark" music > and grumpiness. Whatever gave you that idea?

I guess I wasn't as clear as I thought. I was contrasting the upbeat, positive, communal, peace & love (i.e. neo-hippie) attitudes that typified the early rave scene with the current trend towards "dark", "isolationist", scary vibe. From what little I've heard, the early detroit stuff was of more varied character, but the shift in popular IDM over the last few years is quite noticeable. The connection between music and "neo-hippie" ideals is that one seems to have supplanted the other. When I referred to fans of this stuff as grumpy, I was being somewhat facetious. I like a bit of spooky music every now and then as well, although in general I'm most impressed by music with a balance of light and dark.

On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, Miles Egan wrote:

quoted 4 lines What's behind this recent fascination with "dark" ambient and

> What's behind this recent fascination with "dark" ambient and > "scary" IDM? It's certainly a twist on the old neo-hippie rave ideals. > Is this a sign of the times or just a fad? There must be a lot of grumpy > people out there.

I reckon this is a tad symplistic, to say the least. Lots of listeners surely fit into different "scenes" or social groups, or whatever. Music doesn't determine people's ideals. If darker stuff is suddenly getting more publicity, it's probably just something else advertisers/editors/etc. have found to cash in on. ;)

quoted 4 lines I find the trend interesting because I've gravitated AWAY from

> I find the trend interesting because I've gravitated AWAY from > industrial and noise music and toward more postive/balanced stuff over > the last few years. It's curious to see so many people headed in the > other direction. This isn't meant as criticism; it's just an observation.

There were probably just as many people heading away from dark stuff towards more cheery sounds when you were just getting into noise music. It's all about perspective (wank wank, toss toss ;) ______________________________________________________________________________ "Stability is one of those code words, which means 'rule by the right guys'" scrot@sans.vuw.ac.nz (Michael Upton) - Noam Chomsky ______________________________________________________________________________

If the Heresy, Lustmord cd is to be considered than the first Lab Report, Figure X-71 should also be included. But, cripes, ain't this ambient? sean "Lover of Music and all things inherently good." P.S. i'd still suggest getting both. i've never had more screwed up dreams than when listening to X-71, the only close second is Heresy.

On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, Janne Martensgard wrote:

quoted 10 lines Hi y'all,

> Hi y'all, > > just thought I'd throw in a request for some opinions on where I can find dark > IDM/ambient; real *scary* stuff. > Something like track 11 on AFX/Analogue Bubblebath 3 (was on a Trance Europe > Express compilation too). Yeah, I know about zoviet*france, Ambient 4, Scorn > etc. but most have left me disappointed. Not enough headphuq there, I suppose > .. :) > > Anyone wanna throw in their $.02?

How about the following (definate headphuq material!): NOCTURNAL EMISSIONS: Glossalalia " : Magnatized Light CRANIOCLAST: ICONS VI-XI " : ICONS I-VI MORPHOGENESIS: Solarization HALFLER TRIO: hit and miss through all their releases NURSE WITH WOUND: hit and miss as well call your psychiatrist in the morning! -Thad

On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, KANE SCOTT MICHAEL wrote:

quoted 23 lines On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, Janne Martensgard wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, Janne Martensgard wrote: > > > Hi y'all, > > > > just thought I'd throw in a request for some opinions on where I can find dark > > IDM/ambient; real *scary* stuff. > > Something like track 11 on AFX/Analogue Bubblebath 3 (was on a Trance Europe > > Express compilation too). Yeah, I know about zoviet*france, Ambient 4, Scorn > > etc. but most have left me disappointed. Not enough headphuq there, I suppose > > .. :) > > > > Anyone wanna throw in their $.02? > > How about the following (definate headphuq material!): > > NOCTURNAL EMISSIONS: Glossalalia > " : Magnatized Light > CRANIOCLAST: ICONS VI-XI > " : ICONS I-VI > MORPHOGENESIS: Solarization > HALFLER TRIO: hit and miss through all their releases > NURSE WITH WOUND: hit and miss as well >

Here's my picks: lustmord-the monstrous soul or the new one (the place where the dark stars hang or something like that?) coil-themes from hellraiser psychik tv-themes 3 (what could be scarier than a repetitive jim jones laugh!) nurse with wound-insect and individual silenced tagc-almost anything might be appropriate anything by graeme revell there's lots more if you're interested! Just check out a lot of the 80's industrial scene (not the dance stuff though) and you'll probably find stuff you like. Personally, when i mix i like to throw in the odd bit of this stuff just to keep people thinking. carl

quoted 4 lines Hi y'all,

>Hi y'all, > >just thought I'd throw in a request for some opinions on where I can find dark >IDM/ambient; real *scary* stuff.

You might want to check the STAALPLAAT mail order Pobox 11453 1001 GL Amsterdam The Netherlands I am currently fguring out what their mail adres is..they have one.. hold on when i have it, I'll post it... good luck, Allert Allert Aalders - Big Time Concepts - allert@knoware.nl - allert@riv.nl why not check http://www.riv.nl/yuliana - a Bio Boostin' Music server shape on IRC - mostly on #digistad

quoted 7 lines Hi y'all,

>Hi y'all, > >just thought I'd throw in a request for some opinions on where I can find dark >IDM/ambient; real *scary* stuff. >Something like track 11 on AFX/Analogue Bubblebath 3 (was on a Trance Europe >Express compilation too). Yeah, I know about zoviet*france, Ambient 4, Scorn >etc. but most have left me disappointed. Not enough headphuq there, I suppose

Not really idm, but one of the creepiest recordings I've heard of late is Gavin Bryar's _The Sinking of the Titanic_(Point). This piece is mostly a string quartet playing over and over the song that the band played as the Titanic sank with various sounds and treatments mixed in. Some of the stuff going on: -wood blocks playing some of the morse code sent out as the ship sank. -excerpts of interviews with the survivors. -"watery" sound treatment added to the strings as the ship sinks A really beautiful and haunting recording. Highly recommended. Another disturbing piece is _Absinthe_ by Naked City (Avant). Listening tho this was a very unsettling experience for me, but it may have been because I spent the entire disc tensed, waiting for the typical Naked City noise assault to come (it never does). c Cody Junior's Farm Records an interesting selection of music jrsfarm@tyrell.net send your wantlists http://www.tyrell.net/~jrsfarm/ visit our web pages

On Jul 11, 1:35pm, Goethe wrote:

quoted 10 lines Subject: Re: Scary IDM?

> Subject: Re: Scary IDM? > > > On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, Miles Egan wrote: > > > What's behind this recent fascination with "dark" ambient and > > "scary" IDM? It's certainly a twist on the old neo-hippie rave ideals. > > What does this have to do with Neo-Hippie ideals? I see no > connection between "dark" music and any hippie ideals...

As one of the minority here who can actually speak to 'hippie' ideals, I've no idea what he's talking about. Give an old hippy your average sunny ambient album and a fat doob and he's not going to turn dark on you. Blissout & Chillout were what hippies did best. I think people need the dark stuff as an anodyne to the sunny stuff. Chillin' with a touch of nightmare is sometimes just the thing. -- "This unit might get hot while operating, but there is nothing to worry about it." -- Chapter 1, Verse 10, the book of MKS30. -- kent.williams@cadsi.com [Kent Williams/CADSI/2651 Crosspark Rd/Coralville IA 52241/(319)626-6700]

quoted 2 lines People who want to check out dark, atmospheric electronic music with

> People who want to check out dark, atmospheric electronic music with > strong techno inclinations could do worse than to check out

Paul Bishop (eevo lute and u-trax) Well maybe not 'dark' but it sure looks like rain. CD fans should be falling in line shortly. Teep on now: at atmos

On Tue, 11 Jul 1995 ogd@selway.umt.edu wrote:

quoted 2 lines Here's a mixed list of psychedelic evil freakouts that run the gamut from

> Here's a mixed list of psychedelic evil freakouts that run the gamut from > ambient industrial all the way through raging hardcore techno:

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quoted 3 lines Aphex Twin - Mescalinium United Remix EP (R&S) [The best mix didn't

> > Aphex Twin - Mescalinium United Remix EP (R&S) [The best mix didn't > make it onto _Classics_]

That's because it is a G.T.O. mix. The name of the artist is MESCALINUM UNITED. The name of this release is "We Have Arrived". Did this release come with an actual picture sleeve? The one I've got comes in a paper record jacket (no sleeve), and has a purple record label. hm. christopher miller grof@chuma.cas.usf.edu

On Tue, 11 Jul 1995, Miles Egan wrote:

quoted 4 lines What's behind this recent fascination with "dark" ambient and

> What's behind this recent fascination with "dark" ambient and > "scary" IDM? It's certainly a twist on the old neo-hippie rave ideals. > Is this a sign of the times or just a fad? There must be a lot of grumpy > people out there.

Interesting comment Miles... personally, I'd agree with the person who attributes it mostly to a combination of marketing and simply a need for something different. I guess it all depends on where you're coming from.. I first got into "industrial" music because it was a) electronic music and b) so far removed in mood/attitude from anything I'd ever heard before (not too many years ago, my staple diet in high school was Depeche Mode, if that helps any :-) that I was just mesmerized by it. So while I still like dark, evil music (dark IDM among others--not that there's a whole lot of it out there), a little mood-neutral music is a welcome change. Conversely, I'm sure that there are just as many people who got into techno/IDM through acid jazz/nouveau-ambient/whatever, and for whom this Isolationist stuff is a breath of fresh air, a window into a strange, alien new kind of music that must seem just as enticing as when I first heard, say, Zoviet France. Personally I'm convinced that most musical movements in modern, innovative music--especially electronic music--go in cycles. Everything we latch onto and consider "good", "innovative" etc. at any point in time is a function of what we were into before. Who knows, in a year or so I may get really sick of this IDM-dub style that is really a bit close to getting dangerously overmilked. I already find myself listening to my old Skinny Puppy records once in a while. If you'd told me that I might be doing this a year ago I'd have laughed in your face. Modern electronic music, the stuff that idm- and ambient-listers groove on, is basically escapist music with (fortunately) a good dose of intelligence, for the most part. However, the fact that it's escapist means that its impact is made in large part by appealing to our imaginations--in other words, anything that deviates from what we're used to will fire our imaginations--hence my "cycles" theory; we're constantly flirting in and out of a fairly fixed set of themes/imagery types over time (light/dark, for example) with the electronic medium being the constant. (To cut a lot of pompous twaddle short, _I_ personally am not at all surprised that a ot of people are getting into the dark stuff, especially since labels like Subharmonic are presenting it in a fairly conventional manner--i.e. without all the gory covers that you and me had to deal with when we listened to "industrial", and that would probably put off a lot of today's techno/ambient audience.) Phew! Ashok (On Now: The Reese Project "Faith Hope and Clarity") PS> Incidentally, while I'm here, just a comment on the "dark IDM" thread-- I agree that the suggestions people have made today are all "dark" in varying degrees, but they're not really IDM. I honestly can't think of a lot of _IDM_ that's dark. Leo Anibaldi, sure, some UR, sure, some Aphex, yes, Divination yes, Locust yes, but bands like Coil etc. aren't really dance bands. People who want to check out dark, atmospheric electronic music with strong techno inclinations could do worse than to check out ClockDVA, who in my opinion are one of the most underrated bands of all time, and the early stuff by their offshoot System 01. Also, for a nice crunchier, more noisy cousin of Muziq, try out Esplendor Geometrico.

quoted 1 line tagc-almost anything might be appropriate

> tagc-almost anything might be appropriate

where can i get 'Burning Water?'- (i think they recorded it under the ClockDVA name) i can't find it anywhere, and i've seen only one other cd by them in the 'these' catalog- ..any info would be appreciated- from a rustic -<J> 'adios' <G>

Hello- There's a song called "Burning Water" on TAG's DIGITARIA LP. (If memory serves me right!) +++++++ John A. jknee@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu Rickman +++++++