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1995-02-06 17:42Greg Earle Igno-rant
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1995-02-06 17:42Greg Earleisolar:1:224 % agrep From:,gnoran 6255 6304 6315 6255: From: gsi2174@gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU 6
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isolar:1:224 % agrep From:,gnoran 6255 6304 6315 6255: From: gsi2174@gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU 6255: them as being without clues only shows your ignorance which is oh so 6304: From: gsi2174@gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU 6304: please spare the rest of us your ignorance. 6315: From: gsi2174@gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU 6315: >> by your ignorance that I don't think i'm making the point I wanted to. 6315: whatever. i'd chose the word ignorant before nasty. 6315: your ignorance and attitude are beginning to bug me. Now listen here, Mr. Anon Y. Mouse Never-Signs-Their-Postings College Student: This list is amazingly civil and, for the most part, ad hominem-free (well, other than when Jason attacked Terre Thaemlitz ... (-: ) These last few posts of yours have been filled with ad hominem attacks on both myself and Mr. Implode, among others. They are totally inappropriate for the list and have done nothing other than to expose your own cluelessness and to spiral off a discussion about "Industrial vs. Techno", which is *not* IDM and which is far better taken to some other place. Please stop. Webster's defines "ignorance" as "The condition of being ignorant", which is "1. Without education or knowledge. 2. Exhibiting lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake. 3. Unaware or uninformed" If I choose to invent a phrase such as "Former Industrialists With A Clue", there's good reason. Given that a fair number of people who formerly haunted Industrial-oriented cyberspace (rec.music.industrial, the nm-list mailing list, and even music-flamers back before that) are now regular habitues of this list, it's safe to say that there are quite a few others here that fit this appelation as well. (I got a chuckle out of Morgan Geist's comment "I also admire people who carve their own non-Roland path ... I was glad to see Reload's gear list last year w/ the HR16 etc."; I remember an e-mail I got from Jon Drukman a long long time ago, when he said that he didn't want to hear my wife's 2nd album if it used an HR16 like her 1st one ... (-: Oh, BTW, that was an *Industrial* album ... ) As for "Have you ever heard Throbbing Gristle, The Hafler Trio, Zoviet France, Clock DVA/TAG The Anti Group, etc.?" ... for one, quoting names of groups who are either already dead or well past their creative peak only helps proves my point (a main reason behind "Former Industrialists With a Clue" is the fact that Industrial as a musical genre has become moribund, doomed to forever recycling itself; Techno became the genre of choice for those of us who forever continue to search out new, exciting, creative and innovative music). But more to the point, I've *seen* 75% of the bands on the above-quoted list *live* - including T.G.'s next-to-last show. Given that this was back in 1981, and I'd seen Cabaret Voltaire back in late 1980, I'd guess that puts it back around the time you first started to realize that Play-Doh wasn't for eating. To call me "ignorant" when it comes to Industrial is like telling Genghis Khan he could learn a thing or two about invasion strategy.
quoted 1 line Your ignorance and attitude are beginning to bug me.> Your ignorance and attitude are beginning to bug me.
Please take *your* attitude and ad hominem attacks and go home. - Greg
1995-02-06 20:46gsi2174@gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDUOn Mon, 6 Feb 1995, Greg Earle wrote: > isolar:1:224 % agrep From:,gnoran 6255 6304 6315 >
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On Mon, 6 Feb 1995, Greg Earle wrote:
quoted 14 lines isolar:1:224 % agrep From:,gnoran 6255 6304 6315> isolar:1:224 % agrep From:,gnoran 6255 6304 6315 > 6255: From: gsi2174@gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU > 6255: them as being without clues only shows your ignorance which is oh so > 6304: From: gsi2174@gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU > 6304: please spare the rest of us your ignorance. > 6315: From: gsi2174@gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU > 6315: >> by your ignorance that I don't think i'm making the point I wanted to. > 6315: whatever. i'd chose the word ignorant before nasty. > 6315: your ignorance and attitude are beginning to bug me. > > Now listen here, Mr. Anon Y. Mouse Never-Signs-Their-Postings College Student: > > This list is amazingly civil and, for the most part, ad hominem-free (well, > other than when Jason attacked Terre Thaemlitz ... (-: )
yeah, idm is pretty civil. the ambient list out does the breaks lists in the amount of flames. and jason's attack of thaemlitz made me laugh.
quoted 6 lines These last few posts of yours have been filled with ad hominem attacks on both> > These last few posts of yours have been filled with ad hominem attacks on both > myself and Mr. Implode, among others. They are totally inappropriate for the > list and have done nothing other than to expose your own cluelessness and to > spiral off a discussion about "Industrial vs. Techno", which is *not* IDM and > which is far better taken to some other place. Please stop.
my cluelessness? doubt it. they have a lot to do with this list, what influences techno artists and what have you. i mean, talking about klaus schulze on this list is off topic, but how about schulze's influence on carl craig? seems pretty relevant to me. don't play admin, kid.
quoted 16 lines Webster's defines "ignorance" as "The condition of being ignorant"> > Webster's defines "ignorance" as "The condition of being ignorant", which is > "1. Without education or knowledge. 2. Exhibiting lack of > education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake. 3. Unaware or uninformed" > > If I choose to invent a phrase such as "Former Industrialists With A Clue", > there's good reason. Given that a fair number of people who formerly haunted > Industrial-oriented cyberspace (rec.music.industrial, the nm-list mailing > list, and even music-flamers back before that) are now regular habitues of > this list, it's safe to say that there are quite a few others here that fit > this appelation as well. (I got a chuckle out of Morgan Geist's comment > "I also admire people who carve their own non-Roland path ... I was glad to > see Reload's gear list last year w/ the HR16 etc."; I remember an e-mail I got > from Jon Drukman a long long time ago, when he said that he didn't want to > hear my wife's 2nd album if it used an HR16 like her 1st one ... (-: Oh, BTW, > that was an *Industrial* album ... )
what's your point? techno is a rather exciting and somewhat new medium. it's quite natural for people to get into new sounds and forget the old. i'm not one of the people who forgets though. nor do i turn on what i did listen to and insult it, which seems oh so typical of the rave scene. all the people who say 'god i hate moby and lords of acid' when they knew they damn well used to love them. yeah, tastes change, that's fine and it's good. attitudes that change and people who front just plain suck.
quoted 8 lines As for "Have you ever heard Throbbing Gristle, The Hafler Trio, Zoviet France,> > As for "Have you ever heard Throbbing Gristle, The Hafler Trio, Zoviet France, > Clock DVA/TAG The Anti Group, etc.?" ... for one, quoting names of groups who > are either already dead or well past their creative peak only helps proves my > point (a main reason behind "Former Industrialists With a Clue" is the fact > that Industrial as a musical genre has become moribund, doomed to forever > recycling itself; Techno became the genre of choice for those of us who > forever continue to search out new, exciting, creative and innovative music).
that is how >you< see it. i do not see it that way. i hear a lot of innovative music coming out, and i'm sorry if you don't, but that's your fault. choosing to refer to anyone who still enjoys industrial as 'being without a clue', now that is ignorant. as for recycling, please. like that isn't happening with techno right now.
quoted 8 lines But more to the point, I've *seen* 75% of the bands on the above-quoted list> > But more to the point, I've *seen* 75% of the bands on the above-quoted list > *live* - including T.G.'s next-to-last show. Given that this was back in 1981, > and I'd seen Cabaret Voltaire back in late 1980, I'd guess that puts it back > around the time you first started to realize that Play-Doh wasn't for eating. > > To call me "ignorant" when it comes to Industrial is like telling Genghis Khan > he could learn a thing or two about invasion strategy.
whatever, i'm not impressed.
quoted 6 lines Your ignorance and attitude are beginning to bug me.> > > Your ignorance and attitude are beginning to bug me. > > Please take *your* attitude and ad hominem attacks and go home. > > - Greg
nah, i've been here for years, i quite like it. i'll chill out though. no more flames from me and i'll try and phrase my opinions in a less harsh way. deal?