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quoted 4 lines Btw, all the coloured vinyl pressings of the AI albums suffer from

> Btw, all the coloured vinyl pressings of the AI albums suffer from > excessive surface noise. I'm told this is mainly because the vinyl > has been recycled. On my orange copy of "Electrosoma", the surface > noise almost drowns out the music on some tracks.

Most black vinyl pressings these days are recycled. The main problem with recycled vinyl is that you sometimes get pressing flaws resulting from bits of paper from the labels getting into the vinyl. I very much doubt that much if any clear or coloured vinyl is recycled, though. (Incidentally, the orange electosoma is actually pressed on clear vinyl, with an orange sheet of plastic embedded, like a picture disc.) Clear/coloured vinyl is generally noisier than black vinyl, and it seems to damage more easily, too -- I think the problem might be that it's somewhat more brittle than black vinyl -- though the surface noise on my copy of electosoma isn't excessive. Cosmic

cosmic roy writes:

quoted 4 lines Clear/coloured vinyl is generally noisier than black vinyl, and it

>Clear/coloured vinyl is generally noisier than black vinyl, and it >seems to damage more easily, too -- I think the problem might be that >it's somewhat more brittle than black vinyl -- though the surface >noise on my copy of electosoma isn't excessive.

if this is true, it's only true for the pressing plants in the UK. when we inquired about colored vinyl over here we were told that the only thing that affects sound quality is whether the vinyl is virgin or recycled. virgin vinyl starts out clear anyway, so theoretically, clear vinyl would be the "purest" or most unadulterated product available. most records are black because it's easier to see the bands that way, but the black dye is added in a coloration stage just as orange dye or whatever would be added if you were making a "colored vinyl" product. the truth is all virgin pressings are "colored vinyl" - it's just that 99.9% of the time, it's black coloring that's added. now if you want to see a truly trippy colored record, check out "Trying To Reach You" by Up Above The World on Exist Dance - Mike K went down to the record plant in person where they let him experiment with different dyes and spattering effects. the end result is like a bad LSD nightmare frozen on wax. check it. btw, the difference in sound quality between virgin and recycled vinyl is really obvious and any company who is still using recycled should be shot. Jon Drukman jdrukman%dlsun87@oracle.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This calls for a very special blend of psychology and extreme violence.

quoted 5 lines now if you want to see a truly trippy colored record, check out

> now if you want to see a truly trippy colored record, check out > "Trying To Reach You" by Up Above The World on Exist Dance - Mike K > went down to the record plant in person where they let him experiment > with different dyes and spattering effects. the end result is like a > bad LSD nightmare frozen on wax. check it.

I believe this is only on some early promos. I received two promos, one via a supplier and on from Exist, and the one from the supplier was trippy and the one from Exist was normal.

quoted 6 lines Clear/coloured vinyl is generally noisier than black vinyl, and it

> >Clear/coloured vinyl is generally noisier than black vinyl, and it > >seems to damage more easily, too -- I think the problem might be that > >it's somewhat more brittle than black vinyl -- though the surface > >noise on my copy of electosoma isn't excessive. > > if this is true, it's only true for the pressing plants in the UK.

Hmm, perhaps it's just a myth then. I was pretty sure that the records I have on coloured vinyl tend to be noisier than average, but I could well be mistaken. Cosmic

In article <25894.9401101839@gamgee.harlequin.co.uk> you write:

quoted 11 lines Clear/coloured vinyl is generally noisier than black vinyl, and it

> > > >Clear/coloured vinyl is generally noisier than black vinyl, and it > > >seems to damage more easily, too -- I think the problem might be that > > >it's somewhat more brittle than black vinyl -- though the surface > > >noise on my copy of electosoma isn't excessive. > > > > if this is true, it's only true for the pressing plants in the UK. > > Hmm, perhaps it's just a myth then. I was pretty sure that the > records I have on coloured vinyl tend to be noisier than average, but > I could well be mistaken.

No... I tend to agree with you Roy. I've had some coloured vinyl from Altern8 and some of the Reinforced picture disks which sound really bad. As for the quality of the Warp LP's... absolute crap. They seem to have them pressed paper thin for that guaranteed `warp'. Virtually... :)om ............................................................................. : INTERNET: Dom@sound.demon.co.uk :: Voice: 0831-884-269 (or 0831-884-272) : : FIDONET: VF10 at node 2:254/14 :: E-mail me for my PGP public key block. : :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

Dom@sound.demon.co.uk (The Dark Stranger) writes:

quoted 8 lines Hmm, perhaps it's just a myth then. I was pretty sure that the

>> Hmm, perhaps it's just a myth then. I was pretty sure that the >> records I have on coloured vinyl tend to be noisier than average, but >> I could well be mistaken. > >No... I tend to agree with you Roy. I've had some coloured vinyl from Altern8 >and some of the Reinforced picture disks which sound really bad. As for the >quality of the Warp LP's... absolute crap. They seem to have them pressed >paper thin for that guaranteed `warp'.

like i said, the only thing that has a real impact on sound is the virgin-ness of the vinyl. although of course a thinner pressing can introduce other distortion problems... but the point is - if all these colored LPs you've got are on recycled vinyl, then it's no wonder they sound like shit. Jon Drukman jdrukman%dlsun87@oracle.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This calls for a very special blend of psychology and extreme violence.

First off, being a surviving victim of horrible pressings, I can inform you that the majority of Detroit-area labels master at National Sound, which until recently had serious sound monitoring problems, and pressed at Dixie down in Kentucky.. Now Dixie is the one to blame, not the labels.. I know Rich and John have been bitching for years about the quality of the pressings.. What's happened is that virgin vinyl has been declared illegal by the U.S., and only certain presses have been able to avoid the fate of recycling old releases.. As for the debate on race, I would highly recommend that one picks up Billy Wimsatt's (Writes for the Source under the name Upski) book "Bomb the Suburbs".. Although it centers around Hip Hop, it has alot of interesting things to say about growing as a white kid, and relating to black culture.. And lastly, I couldn't resist mentioning that I think CyberSled is the best arcade game I've seen in years.. Whew! I've been stuck in the campus arcade all week... P.S. thanks for the feedback off the last post.. Jamie Hodge -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 mQCNAi5f89wAAAEEAOiU42TYXhzZGB9GyVUPiphK/V549aDA1KDGccxmPY70ynVt EUi0Q/X/sHNj73fKCiv6jeoIlagAiamgQT6cL5FGGGkPApyWqrffEClBX67G+mQK Py+gpGCbDw7FEQPoY4Pfqi0Uf0KMPMBDg1k/djjStVQePNLimYBwiB5FzDvpAAUR tBtpcmRpYWxAaXJkaWFsc3lzLndpbi11ay5uZXSJAJUDBRAvF7csgHCIHkXMO+kB AXUhA/9/KthPVRLH6IpgagPK7lZ5qWYM2lhBSxMv9LDKV7nZVRxnsnO55fpQj1r1 popw6JkYAG0BdRTOwUjPhcItyIbEjFGWkmXxDqAjpoKKcpmrajPB6mGtsrZG948A FxPlPlXqmcg9bGB7x0RYlwZ6baka778MNB8LK15GoUriwUYUPQ== =FP+2 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

On 25 Jan 1995 JAHODGE@vaxsar.vassar.edu wrote:

quoted 3 lines quality of the pressings.. What's happened is that virgin vinyl has been

> quality of the pressings.. What's happened is that virgin vinyl has been > declared illegal by the U.S., and only certain presses have been able to > avoid the fate of recycling old releases..

Do you have any more info about this? Is there some sort of EPA-related restriction on vinyl fabrication? Is this something I should be calling my congressman about? :) -d.w.

quoted 3 lines .. What's happened is that virgin vinyl has been

>.. What's happened is that virgin vinyl has been > declared illegal by the U.S., and only certain presses have been able to > avoid the fate of recycling old releases..

I've seen this mentioned here a couple of times before, but I can only kind of guess what the difference between virgin and recycled vinyl means in regards to pressing. Could someone please give a full explanation for me. I'm guessing that recylded vinyl is more brittle and therefore "falls apart" when its pressed...

quoted 5 lines As for the debate on race, I would highly recommend that one picks

> As for the debate on race, I would highly recommend that one picks > up Billy Wimsatt's (Writes for the Source under the name Upski) book "Bomb > the Suburbs".. Although it centers around Hip Hop, it has alot of > interesting things to say about growing as a white kid, and relating to > black culture..

How easy is this to get? Do you have publishing/isdn info? Is it available through SOURCE?

quoted 3 lines And lastly, I couldn't resist mentioning that I think CyberSled is the

> And lastly, I couldn't resist mentioning that I think CyberSled is the > best arcade game I've seen in years.. Whew! I've been stuck in the campus > arcade all week...

you ain't joking, the best thing since 2600"Combat". Well, not really, but.. c-ya chris clarke