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Re: [idm] Excellent New Merck...
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:56:35 +0100, Alan R. Lockett wrote
quoted 16 lines On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:54:45 -0600 acre <lists@acre-c.com> wrote:> On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 21:54:45 -0600 acre <lists@acre-c.com> wrote: > > > The Proem album was absolutely ruined just for that first line > > "I don't know how to tell you this but hip hop is dead." > > It's a strange proposition for me that an entire album can be > 'absolutely ruined' by one line of text. To be honest, I didn't even > register that line. If I even perceived it, it didn't hang around > and influence my perception of the album as a whole. An analogy: the > Esem track 'ilkae' from a couple of years ago contains a preset > synth sound which when it appears grates on me terribly. I hate that > sound. But I still listen to the track and the rest of the EP and do > not allow this to overspill onto my overall enjoyment. I don't know > what others think about this. If you order a starter in a restaurant > which has a nasty taste, is the rest of meal rendered totally unstomachable? >
By including that, immediately I realized that there was nothing of depth involved (again, I'm speaking conceptually). I feel that including this line is shallow, lacks creativity and achieves absolutely nothing. With that, a precedent was set for the rest of the album and the rest of the album confirms what I felt when I heard that line - simple as that.
quoted 1 line I don't lack a sense of humor, I can guarantee that, but this is not> > I don't lack a sense of humor, I can guarantee that, but this is not
saying
quoted 1 line anything of value in any objective way at all as far as I'm concerned---> > anything of value in any objective way at all as far as I'm concerned---
It's
quoted 9 lines just stupid.> > just stupid. > > We have to take the statement about sense of humour on trust. But as > for the rest of the statement, it seems to contain a number of > embedded assumptions and value judgments, which I personally would > also question, namely:- > > - that a piece of text must be saying something 'of value' to > justify its inclusion on a piece of music.
I think that every frequency of sound should be justified. Too much music exists "just because" when really there needs to be something backing it. I would like to discuss this with Proem and try to understand why he would choose to add such nonsense to an otherwise great track. I don't feel that any justification exists. - that 'value' is a
quoted 2 lines property that can be attributed to something independently of the> property that can be attributed to something independently of the > valuer's appraisal system.
I observe this. - that something needs to be said 'in an
quoted 1 line objective way' to validate it.> objective way' to validate it.
This is putting words in my mouth. - that 'stupidity' is an attribute
quoted 1 line that operates independently of the valuer's appraisal system etc> that operates independently of the valuer's appraisal system etc
Stupid is something I would equate to lacking justification, see above.
quoted 8 lines Not wishing to labour the point, but... ;-)> > Not wishing to labour the point, but... ;-) > > > Too much of the album as a whole seems to lack depth, not sonically > > but conceptually. > > I'm not sure what's being said here. What albums would be proposed as > having this 'conceptual depth' that Proem's lacks?
Mahavishnu - Inner Mounting Flame Stevie Wonder - Innervisions Boards of Canada - Geogaddi Miles - Bitches Brew Freescha - What's Come Inside of You Marvin Gaye - What's Going On Autechre - Draft 7.30 / Confield
quoted 3 lines Serial Human is a good listen, but Unomia has much more> > > Serial Human is a good listen, but Unomia has much more > > character and atmosphere. It is really a step towards what I feel needs
to
quoted 6 lines happen with electronic music.> > happen with electronic music. > > It seems to me that the concepts of 'character and atmosphere' and > the notion of 'what I feel needs to happen' are entirely spurious > except as reference points for people who know what the poster of > this e-mail's musical predilections are.
What "I feel needs to happen" is evident in Helios' album. That is the reference point I am speaking about.
quoted 9 lines It is pretty, but there are sinister> > > It is pretty, but there are sinister > > elements, some sort of antagonist that I think a lot of recent electronic > > music is lacking (Xela, Mum, practically anything that has come out on CCO > > or Morr in the last couple years after they both lost their touch... etc). > > It's more real and raw. I could go on but this is pretentious and stupid > > enough. > > Er...
I'm suprised no one jumped on my ass about the CCO/Morr comment, how do people feel about their recent output?
quoted 5 lines All a matter of opinion of course.> > > All a matter of opinion of course. > > You said it :-) >
Of course, and I absolutely respect and value your response. Thanks! Milo
quoted 17 lines alan> alan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Eric Sorenson" <eric@explosive.net> > > To: "acre" <lists@acre-c.com> > > Cc: "Corbin, Nick" <Nick.Corbin@acnielsen.co.uk>; <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [idm] Excellent New Merck... > > > > > > > On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, acre wrote: > > > > > > > Couldn't agree more. Strongest Merck release in years as far as I'm > > > > concerned. > > > > > > That is saying a lot, especially considering the Tiki Obmar album. > > > And _serial human_. And the mfk'n Proem album. Are you sure about
that??
quoted 24 lines (I better go buy it anyway -- just in case, eh?)> > > > > > (I better go buy it anyway -- just in case, eh?) > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Eric Sorenson - EXPLOSIVE Networking - http://explosive.net > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > ---------------------- > Alan Lockett, (Senior Language Co-ordinator, EFL), > Language Centre, University of Bristol, > 30-32 Tyndall's Park Road, Bristol BS8 1PY, UK > Alan.R.Lockett@bristol.ac.uk > tel: +44 117 3310914 fax: +44 117 9741377 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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