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From:
Sara and Brandon
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Date:
Sun, 7 Mar 2004 13:41:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject:
Re: [idm] EFA's bankruptcy/ missing ethics of filesharing
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Reading over this, I am ashaimed at how robotic I sound. Sorry in advance..... Generally speaking, about everything I've bought over the last three years I've downloaded first. I usually do keep a backup copy of most of what I buy. If you want a hard core "ethical" response: I feel there is nothing ethically wrong with someone downloading an album provided it doesn't influence the support they would or would not have given to the production of the work. I also tend to believe it is wrong to assume, at face value, that anyone downloading an album is stealing. To me, uh....philosophically speaking, borrowing a friends CD and downloading a digital representation of the music contained on that CD can be of equal ethical weight provided that (a) the borrower does not make a duplicate of the work in place of paying for the work before returning the album; (b) the downloader does not keep the mp3s in place of paying for the work, and (c) unless the work was purchased, the downloader must delete the files within a reasonable period of time. The common strain you'll notice with all of my statements is that the decisions are all local to the consumer, which is a major threat to the strictly "business interested" - which you'll notice if you explore the massive lawsuits the RIAA has produced, which in my opinion are highly unethical as, (1) as far as I'm aware based on what I've read about their conduct, there is no mechanism in their process to ensure they're not targeting what I've called group c, not to mention that members of this group also might own the work and as far as sharing with others; (2) the guilt should not rest on the "sharer" as by the nature of the exchange of peer to peer property there is no way to possibly know if the downloader will treat the intellectual property in good faith; and (3) the amounts of money they are seeking are entirely off base as, concerning intellectual property, the loss of capitol is not directly related to the experience of downloading as there is no way an outside party can possibly know if the downloader was intending to buy the product to begin with. The most difficult thing are cases where only half the the tracks are great and the other half aren't worth it. I wouldn't buy the release as a whole, but I would also not want to give the other music up. In the past, I did act in an "unethical" fashion in that I did keep the tracks I liked as there was no alternative. On the upside, more and more options are available to counter this. With bleep.com for example, there is no reasonable way anyone couldn't support them based on their attraction to only one or two great tracks. You can buy the one or two great tracks, or 8 of 15 or 14 of 15. The bottom line, I don't believe that intellectual property and capitalism fit together firmly. There is a sort of fuzzy relationship, but the success of that relationship over the course of major technological advances was largely due to strict (and in the case of the RIAA lawsuits - insanely heavy handed) laws to offset the natural urge to explore what is available. At the heart of it all I don't think any method which requires excessive laws and regulations is healthy. Is it practical? No. Is it "fair"? Not really. It is reality? I think so. Will some more open alternative work in fairness to everyone? I believe eventually, yes. Certainly not in this climate though. Also, I tend to like vinyl, and as far as I know, you can't p2p that. Brandon
quoted 31 lines certainly it makes sense to share robin williams> certainly it makes sense to share robin williams > albums ;-) - but does it > make sense to share to the max - for instance - low > res albums, without > having the slightest will to at least sort of donate > what we have to a small > artist like him? luckily i meet more and more people > who are willing to > support their own unkown artists. so it seems that > there might be a time of > conciously wanted balance comin gup. at least i hope > so. > > correct me and discuss me, please - i#d be very > interested in list members' > thoughts about this. > > jayrope |?berlin > > On 3/7/04 21:25 PM, "idm-digest-help@hyperreal.org" > wrote: > > > RE: [idm] EFA files for bankruptcy > > > Best greets from Berlin! > > > jayrope > >
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