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From:
Jeff/Ninja Tune
To:
pixilated ,
Date:
Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:47:25 -0500
Subject:
Re: [idm] Indie Ethics
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You can make plenty of great art without copyright enforcement, however making money off it (if that's the aim) is a lot easier to navigate with copyrights in effect. I can say without a doubt that downloading a track is not an artistic statement. Show me the "art" in it and I'll back down (cue massive argument about what constitutes art). As for sampling, I can argue all day that it's justified as an art form whether one pays for the samples or not. I believe copyright should protect works in their original state, but shouldn't impede someone from using that work to make a new form of art. Jeff
quoted 42 lines From: "pixilated" <pixilated@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG>> From: "pixilated" <pixilated@Alum.Dartmouth.ORG> > Organization: Dartmouth College > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:10:02 -0500 > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: [idm] Indie Ethics > > Seeing as how plenty of great art was produced without the enforcement > of intellectual property, I don't see how it is evident that you have to > have copyright law to survive as an artist. I also don't think you can > say what is or is not an artistic statement. If you pay for all the > samples that you use, hey, you're a nice, law-abiding citizen and I'm > sure the government and its pals are happy about it. If you are going to > sample some stuff and not pay for it, I don't see how you can justify it > by saying you are doing it for "artistic" reappropriation. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff/Ninja Tune [mailto:jeff@ninjatune.net] > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:46 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] Indie Ethics > > Yes, I only have to pay for samples because of the existing structure, > but it's that same structure that allows us and our artist to make a > living so I'm not complaining. > > Yes, all art samples. I fail to see where your argument is going here > (or at least how it's an argument to what I posted). I'm not saying > where the line is drawn, I'm simply saying that downloading a piece of > music is not an artistic statement, therefore it's a completely seperate > argument to sampling. The original reason I posted was because homeboy > was suggesting that I was a hypocrite to take a stance on downloading > when I run a label that releases some sample based music. Both involve > copyright issues, but they're very different arguments. > > Jeff > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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