quoted 8 lines [EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com>]>[EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com>]
>> It's happened before. IDM used to be the name for quiet, glitchy
>> music, but now that's called "microsound." So now the microsound
>> stuff has its own name, whereas the stuff that's outside of it is
>> still referred to as "IDM."
>
>IDM started as a name for "intelligent techno," like early Autechre and
>Aphex Twin.
I know. What I mean is that microsound was called IDM. People
didn't know what to call it, and figured it would be lumped into
whatever "IDM" is.
quoted 2 lines Techno has meant this since the 80s. It started to be used as a blanket>Techno has meant this since the 80s. It started to be used as a blanket
>term in the early 90s by outsiders but that has somewhat fallen off.
Agreed. I think it happened mostly because people referred to IDM as
techno, figuring it had obvious connections to detroit techno (which
is arguably true). Now that there's other names for it, I think it's
easy to call what was originally just "techno," techno.
quoted 2 lines I don't think Venetian Snares would ever call himself IDM. Drug and>I don't think Venetian Snares would ever call himself IDM. Drug and
>bass and breakcore are the names I've heard him use.
Sure. That's exactly what I mean -- people making the stuff will say
"i'm something else," or a group that would otherwise get lumped into
one genre will say "no, we're something else." If the name sticks
and other people decide to join, a genre is born!
In fact, I brought up mr. snares exactly for that reason. He's
someone that would be lumped broadly into the IDM category at, say, a
record store. He could be put into the drum 'n bass category, but
he's sort of too noisy, and he's not really made for dancing at all,
so they put him in with the aphex twin and the autechre and the other
"weird electronic music that doesn't really fit into another category
[yet]" stuff. But he says "no, don't put me there; I'm something
else entirely." Now, he can say all he wants, of course, but if he's
still always put right in that IDM category, then most everyone will
call him that. However, if more people start making music like him,
and saying "no no, we're "drug 'n bass" or "breakcore," then the more
backing there is to calling that a genre and possibly convincing the
record stores, the music discussion lists, and everything else to
start calling it that. You can't have a genre of yourself -- that's
a given ("oh, I make eggy music"). When other people adopt it,
follow it, use it -- then it's a genre.
mr. snares may very well be on his way to his own genre, but it
depends on what happens *next*.
derek
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