I disagree. I don't think having access to an entire discography at once
makes for a better experience when discovering an artist. Also, I like how
on YouTube you can cruise around listening to "related" artists in the side
bar. I think the process of discovering music on your own somewhat makes
for a richer music experience. Trackers and stuff are great for finding
rare first pressing vinyl rips of hard/impossible to find or crazy
expensive releases. Just my opinion.
On Monday, October 20, 2014, Connor Higgins <connor1higgins@gmail.com>
wrote:
quoted 278 lines Why should I even bother having this conversation when folks like Jared
> Why should I even bother having this conversation when folks like Jared
> come in and smash the metaphorical house of cards we've already
> established. Yes, Jared: Piracy is a criminal act. What I'm asking is if
> piracy is currently aiding the promotion of new and upcoming artists.
>
> Someone above argued that youtube and spotify should be used instead of
> trackers, but I think everyone is aware of the limited scope that these
> services can provide. For one, they can barely attest to being better than
> pirating, as artists tend to receive little to no compensation per view.
> Furthermore, these services tend to omit certain groups, or only feature a
> specific subset of an artist's work. Consider someone that's just stumbled
> upon Autechre, but youtube or spotify only features Quaristice (Just a
> hypothetical). Most fans would agree there are better starting points in
> their discography, and having only found this one currently inaccessible
> album, our potential fan has written the duo off for good.
>
> On the other hand, if our potential fan uses a private tracker of sorts,
> he or she will find the duo's entire discography at their fingertips.
> Having read the reviews posted of albums, he or she can make an informed
> first-listening decision, which can potentially galvanize a long-term
> fandom, and therefore a monetary investment, be it through concert tickets
> or actually paying for the albums. The point is, a great deal of this
> process stops because of how incomprehensive youtube and spotify are as
> sources for musical exploration. And for the measly benefit of earning the
> artist fractions of a penny.
>
> /rant
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','clinta@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> property is theft
>>
>> [NOISE] Altemark - Property is Theft
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHSH9rUqTpw>
>>
>>
>> Clint Anderson
>> Systems Engineer
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Jared Dunne <22tape@gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','22tape@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> piracy is theft. or else, instead of calling it piracy, it'd be called
>>> "happy free giveaways from people who work their ass off on their art".
>>> yes, it is that black and white.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Clint Anderson <clinta@gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','clinta@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> heh, not gonna say anything other than that google will provide you
>>>> with more music sharing 0dayz sites than you will ever be able to shake any
>>>> number of sticks at
>>>>
>>>> personally i enjoy buying records and listening to clicks and pops too
>>>> much to pirate everything but i do really insist on at least streaming the
>>>> entire release before i drop what is sometimes as much as $40 on a release
>>>> (SYRO was $32.99!)
>>>>
>>>> im not pro-file-sharing sites i just think its ridiculous that there is
>>>> a interview process and invites for something that literally couldn't be
>>>> easier to find or even trip over its so common
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clint Anderson
>>>> Systems Engineer
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Connor Higgins <
>>>> connor1higgins@gmail.com
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','connor1higgins@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Juho: Do you have a good rebuttal to the "ends justifying the means"
>>>>> argument concerning piracy and its potential benefits? I'm all ears. Let's
>>>>> just stay away from blatant misrepresentations of each other's views.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tris: I'd send you one if I had an invite to give, but unfortunately I
>>>>> don't. Trackers tend to be rather conservative when handing those out. The
>>>>> other method is to take the IRC interview and test, which is how I ended up
>>>>> joining. It's a little tedious (~3 hours or so) but it isn't too difficult
>>>>> in terms of content. Just know the basic file formats and the like. There's
>>>>> a number of resources online if you're interested enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Tristan Strange <
>>>>> tristan.strange@gmail.com
>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tristan.strange@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't know if this is the place to ask but.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is any one capable of inviting me to these services?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Tris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20 October 2014 17:15, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com
>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hietala@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i like to make generalised sweeping statements about an entire
>>>>>>> industry based on my habits too
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20 Oct 2014, at 15:56, Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@gmail.com
>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','esaruoho@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I AM GROOT
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20 October 2014 16:55, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com
>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','zombiefly@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> just follow him on facebook. you'll soon get to realise what he
>>>>>>>> thinks of the music industry and the middleman. Don't get me wrong here,
>>>>>>>> piracy is bad, my point is that waffles/what.cd caused my music
>>>>>>>> purchasing to rise, not fall. but then that's just me... do you think that
>>>>>>>> sites have cause a drop in sales? do you think that the people pirating
>>>>>>>> would purchase if piracy wasn't an option? i think a small percentage would
>>>>>>>> but the others would just find some other way of getting music for free..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 20 October 2014 14:39, Esa J. Ruoho <esaruoho@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','esaruoho@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can You direct us to an interview with A Guy Called Gerald?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from some iDevice. Written by Esa.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > On 20 Oct 2014, at 15:33, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','zombiefly@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > to be fair, spotify and youtube weren't around when i joined
>>>>>>>>> OiNK.
>>>>>>>>> > it's only recently that these services have taken off. I hardly
>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>> > torrents any more, i've purchased all my needs from the past now
>>>>>>>>> and i
>>>>>>>>> > continue to buy new stuff on bandcamp etc. It was the music
>>>>>>>>> industry
>>>>>>>>> > that failed to respond to the internet, so don't blame OiNKers
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> > creating something to force their hand. Rules are simple, if you
>>>>>>>>> > download, then purchase from the artist directly. Paying the
>>>>>>>>> major
>>>>>>>>> > companies for anything is even worse. the artist gets virtually
>>>>>>>>> none
>>>>>>>>> > of that. Go speak to A Guy Called Gerald and ask him what he
>>>>>>>>> thinks of
>>>>>>>>> > the music industry :)
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >> On 20/10/2014, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','hietala@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >> internet music wankers (tm)
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> “but i wouldnt discover things if i didnt copy them at first”
>>>>>>>>> is the most
>>>>>>>>> >> 80s argument i know of. hey we have things like youtube and
>>>>>>>>> spotify in the
>>>>>>>>> >> 2000s, hope you’ll join us here, connor..
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>> On 13 Oct 2014, at 09:13, Esa Ruoho <esaruoho@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','esaruoho@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> im bad with ratios and whatnots so i would just go there to
>>>>>>>>> find comments
>>>>>>>>> >>> on my own releases.
>>>>>>>>> >>> that's what i used what.cd for, i think.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> On 13 October 2014 08:24, Connor Higgins <
>>>>>>>>> connor1higgins@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','connor1higgins@gmail.com');>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>> Still ethically shaky regardless of accepting that it as such.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Sham Beam <
>>>>>>>>> sham.beam@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sham.beam@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>> it's only a quagmire if you don't want to accept piracy is
>>>>>>>>> disrespectful.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> On 10/13/2014 3:22 PM, Connor Higgins wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>> If it's anything like what.cd <http://what.cd>, just make
>>>>>>>>> sure to be
>>>>>>>>> >>> picky in your selections and seed generously. No need to fill
>>>>>>>>> requests
>>>>>>>>> >>> or upload unless you're going overboard with your "purchases".
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> If this ends up turning into one of those rehashed discussions
>>>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>> >>> merits and moral qualms associated with pirating music, then
>>>>>>>>> here are my
>>>>>>>>> >>> two cents: I wouldn't know 2/3's of the artists I currently
>>>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>>>> >>> monetarily if I hadn't nicked some of their work illegally. Do
>>>>>>>>> the ends
>>>>>>>>> >>> justify the means? How should I know? Let the ethicists in
>>>>>>>>> their ivory
>>>>>>>>> >>> towers navigate that quagmire. I just listen to music.
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Sam Loschl <
>>>>>>>>> watercat1996@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','watercat1996@gmail.com');>
>>>>>>>>> >>> <mailto:watercat1996@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','watercat1996@gmail.com');>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> anybody on waffles? just got an invite, looking for friends
>>>>>>>>> or any
>>>>>>>>> >>> advice you'd have for a novice. first private tracker i've
>>>>>>>>> had the
>>>>>>>>> >>> opportunity to join
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> sam`
>>>>>>>>> >>> 808cat
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>> >>> --
>>>>>>>>> >>> Sham Beam
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>>>> > _____________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> > Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K
>>>>>>>>> > _____________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> > noise I make:
>>>>>>>>> > http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin
>>>>>>>>> > http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > noise I like:
>>>>>>>>> > http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > sites I run:
>>>>>>>>> > http://www.ctran.co.uk
>>>>>>>>> > http://o-fu-online.net
>>>>>>>>> > -------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> _____________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Sent from my Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48K
>>>>>>>> _____________________________________________
>>>>>>>> noise I make:
>>>>>>>> http://www.soundcloud.com/pushkin
>>>>>>>> http://www.last.fm/music/Pushkin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> noise I like:
>>>>>>>> http://www.last.fm/user/zombiefly
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> sites I run:
>>>>>>>> http://www.ctran.co.uk
>>>>>>>> http://o-fu-online.net
>>>>>>>> -------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> 22tape/jared dunne
>>> listen <http://22tape.com>
>>>
>>
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