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From:
Adam Piontek
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Date:
Tue, 15 May 2001 10:28:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:
RE: [idm] re: art & expression
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--- Myroslaw Bytz <vzaem@humbledesign.com> wrote:
quoted 7 lines even so if you slap a label> even so if you slap a label > like art on something it's lapped up by consumers. > the reason i began to > question this was that i heard a lot of hip-hop > heads pushing for their form > of expression, hip-hop, to be considered art. why? > what would it prove?
OK, this email is expression. I am expressing myself, get it? But is it art? You would say, there's no such thing as art so it's a pointless question. I would say, art is a definite category of human expression. There is a reason that a well-written scientific theory (one form of expression) is seen as different from Moby Dick (another form of expression). As for hip-hop, I almost agreed with you there, but here's the error in your logic: You're assuming that hip-hop was not art to begin with, and that some people were pushing for it to be called art. This is incorrect. It *was* art, but it was not *recognized* as art. Pushing for underground art forms to be recognized is an age old battle. Just because it isn't recognized as "art" by the old curmugeons doesn't mean it isn't art - that's the whole point of trying to get it recognized. It was art all along, it just wasn't recognized by the establishment. Does it matter? That depends on what you think is important. If culture is important to someone, they're going to want the establishment to change because an establishment view that denies the validity of someone's expression basically denies the worth of that someone. So, what does it prove? It proves that hip-hop isn't just some idiots in a city somewhere playing with turntables and a microphone. It recognizes that there is something more there for human beings. Whether or not *that* is true is, I suppose, questionable, and also whether or not it makes any difference. My own opinion is that if you want to create, just create, and stop fucking around with worrying about what others think about what you're doing. Just do it. Think of the time you wasted writing to this list when you could have been doing something more productive! Most of the people I admire in life don't sit around all day discussing the merits of their work - they just do the work. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org