umm... what's a rave?
- Dan J.
snootch to da mutha fuckin noooooootch!
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From: philippe petit [mailto:philippe-petit@wanadoo.fr]
Sent: April 27, 2001 12:19 AM
To: idm@hyperreal.org
Subject: [idm] idm'er, the rare breed? or not?
The early IDM was all dance-oriented and played at
Raves. Aphex was
playin raves in the US in 93 and Autechre was in
like 95 or so...
I don't know how many people on this list have been
raving for a long
time, but ambient rooms were common place and people
danced to things
like Aphex, the Orb, Orbital, etc.
Well, I started to go to Raves in the early 90s and it was very
refreshing, coming and still being at the time very active in the
HC/Noisy scene I could relate to some of the Independant politics of
Techno. Free Parties were nice...
The second wave of IDM took this and
completely removed it from rave
culture and started to somehow think that
they were above rave culture
in some way.
Well, to me it is more like the Rave movement became very much
business-related. Raves started to look like huge Discos and attitude
and music changed.
The third wave is kind of refreshing in
that they're
knocking down the stuffiness, but they're
still anti-rave for some
reason. Lesser even admitted in an
interview that he's never been to an
interview (the article is on his site).
Does this surprise you ?!!? LSR isn't part of the Rave culture,
thankfully. You know he sounds like the kind of man who grew up with
Punk music and had a life before Techno... So no surprise that he
doesn't brlong to the Rave Generation.
This somewhat ties in with what somebody
said earlier about liking
Autechre but not liking Miami Bass... In
the same way it annoys me when
people talk about stuff like Squarepusher
or Aphex and won't pay any
respect to jungle, techno, house or even
most jazz fusion.
Many people are narrow-minded, it is their right and they miss
something. Too bad for them, not for you.
It really annoys me that IDM is almost no
longer welcome at raves.
As far as I'm concerned I had stopped going to Raves years ago, not that
I mean to generalize, but the ones offered over here are generally very
bad.
I've only gotten to play a few because they're so
divorced, but it's seriously great when it works out.
--
:: atomly ::
I totally agree with this and actually I'm struggling for that. Some
people I know here have been organising Raves since a decade and are now
the biggest Rave entrepreneurs in the area. I'm trying to convince them
to offer me a space/room in their huge Raves so that I can redecorate
it, screen great art on the walls, and play some IDM. Hopefully it could
happen...
philippe
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