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Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:32:31 -0600
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Re: [idm] Re: Scott Herren and ATL (who y'all rollin with)
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quoted 15 lines what armchair charlie was stressing from the beginning is that an artist> >what armchair charlie was stressing from the beginning is that an artist >OUGHT to be aware of the cultural context he is pouring his creative >efforts into. nobody would attempt compose in the manner of mozart (since >he seems to be the most fucking popular example on this list next to afx) >without learning a high level of music theory. and no ignorant techno >rube can expect to walk into a hip-hop joint and expect to impress >everybody with his untrained ability. it's been said a few times already, >this idm attitude of 'let's chop up hip-hop and call it hip-hop' is >bullocks. when hip-hoppers began sampling jazz, they didn't start calling >their music jazz. the fact is it's hip-hop as seen through the DSP-eye, >which sees all soundwaves in sixteenth-note sized chunks that it can >rearrange in a random order over a gritty 4/4 beat. no one is safe from >the ravenous DSP-beast... keep the children home tonight, they might find >themselves REMIXED in the morning ! SAVE YOURSELVES.
hear hear!! i think this is the beef most people had with "rebuilding hip-hop from the ground up" or whatever the original quote was. you can't rebuild hip-hop. it's already built. if you mix up hip hop and idm, you'd get hipdlop or clip drop or blip cough or something. but not hip hop. that's already a genre, and pretty well defined within it's relatively loose boundaries. you can take hip hop in new directions, in which case you *do* have to pay attention to what's been done, or you can mix stuff up and create something new. for now, it might be called hip hop, but, like trip hop, it will eventually get its own label when both sides get "up in arms" about "keeping it real" :) so, whatever. 8D cheers, /derek - - - - - Alice could not help her lips curing up into a smile as she began: "Do you know, I always thought Unicorns were fabulous monsters, too! I never saw one alive before!" "Well, now that we HAVE seen each other," said the Unicorn, "if you'll believe in me, I'll believe in you. Is that a bargain?" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org