if I listened to the music that my region expressed as its own I'd probably
be rockin "shake that ass" which is just fine pouring out of poorly equiped
jeep but its not for me. just a thought
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From: Armchair Charlie [mailto:dubnovibrator@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 6:02 PM
To: jdunning2@hotmail.com; idm@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [idm] Scott Herren and ATL
quoted 5 lines explain what exactly this means, and i don't mean wonderful generality
>explain what exactly this means, and i don't mean wonderful generality
>either, it is appearent that you have put alot of thought in this
>statement, so please do share with us. and contrast your statement with
>other forms of music and why culture is so powerful to hip-hop vs anything
>else.
alrighty! basically all i mean is that culturally aware music has more
potential than non-aware music. that doesn't mean that scott MUST change
his ways and become a Mannie Fresh-lovin dirty south bawla, but it might be
nice if he did at least hint at some of the musical elements that make
southern rap unique. (i have yet to hear ANY elements of that sort in his
music.) if he did incorporate some of this dirty south production into his
own work, that would make his music more culturally valid (which would be a
good thing). the fact that he's doing a track with Anticon suggests that he
has very particular tastes: underground, abstract, collegiate hip-hop. this
kind of hip-hop, for the most part, is NOT happening in ATL or elsewhere in
the south (with exceptions of course). so it starts to become apparent to
me that since scott's region hasn't affected his music AT ALL, that he lacks
awareness. and that would be a bad thing, right? i realize that's a very
picky way of looking at things. again, don't ponder over it too much, it
really doesn't mean that much. but it does have some relevance, so that's
why i brought it up.
quoted 2 lines what should "dorky idm producers" be trying to say, what universal message?
>what should "dorky idm producers" be trying to say, what universal message?
>in your opinion.
ok, the "dorky [idm] producers" smirk wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
so please don't (take it seriously). i just mean that idm musicians don't
really take part in a well defined culture. cuz they (we) are scattered all
over the planet (not that hip-hop artists aren't as well). and we don't
have anything to say (maybe besides "think, don't dance"), nor should we.
and we don't have highly concentrated geographic areas. we are where we
are, as individuals more than as a society. i would argue that hiphop has a
bigger cultural value, mainly because it's bigger. and it's definitely more
regionally diverse. in idm, we'll have pole and kit clayton in totally
different regions, still making very similar music. you are less likely to
see Jurassic 5 throw a Timbaland-soundin' beat in a new track, partly
because they are divided by region. scott is an idm producer without a
fully fleshed musical culture, and he's experimenting with hip-hop
production seemingly with his eyes closed to some very key elements that
make hip-hop what it is (region, etc.). and because that's the case, i
don't believe he can ever be a true innovator of hip-hop.
quoted 5 lines so when an idm producer
>so when an idm producer
>>tries to
>>"rebuild" hip-hop, he should at least take a look around.
>
>and what exactly does this mean too?
it means that he should take a look around (literally). he should take part
in regional affairs, because that's what hip-hop artists do. that's not to
say that scott is a hip-hop artist; he's not. but he's obviously interested
in and influenced by hip-hop. and in that case, he should feel obligated to
step outside the realm of the idm producer and breath in some hip-hop. if
he's gonna be a true innovator, he has to be somewhat participant in the
culture that he's highlighting. make sense?
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