i don't know anything about your personal life or your life experiences or
your scope/range of emotional depth or your ability to empathize but i am
very much in doubt....little fella
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quoted 5 lines From: "Ron Jeremy" <galactic_funk@hotmail.com>
>From: "Ron Jeremy" <galactic_funk@hotmail.com>
>To: Loptimiste@aol.com, idm@hyperreal.org
>Subject: [idm] RE: Radiohead - Kid A
>Date: Thu, Sep 21, 2000, 12:20 PM
>quoted 177 lines From: Loptimiste@aol.com
>>From: Loptimiste@aol.com
>
>>So... It's sad that someone was exposed to Aphex Twin through another
>>artist?
>
> If it was a respectable artist, nah. If it was one of the great wank offs
> of the pop world, then I would say that was kind of sad that they had to
> discover him that way. I suppose if you only listen to corporate rock, and
> don't read any good music magazines then it could take a while to find Aphex
> Twin.
>
>> How is that sad?
>
> It just is man. I could further comment but I don't have the time right now
> mate. Remind me at a later date and I will be glad to expand.
>
>>Too bad you can't justify your ridiculous comment. It's
>>more sad that you're such a bigoted elitist.
>
> Definition of "Bigot" - a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his
> or her own opinions and prejudices.
>
> In a racial context being called a bigot would be serious. Being called a
> bigot for not liking corporate rock, that cracks me up. Cool man, I'm a
> bigot when it comes to NIN, David Hasselhoff, White Zombie, Korn, Prong,
> Fleetwood Mac, George Michael, Etc. ETc.
>
>><<It really isn't, i mean there are people out there still buying Elton
>>John and stuff like The Grease sdtk.>>
>
>>Could you explain the connection between Elton John and NIN?
>
> They both whine when they sing, and seem like emotional wrecks. And they
> both SUCK! I find little to nothing at all appealing in their music. And
> they both make me laugh.
>
>>And please use something other than just "they're both bad". I'm
>> >interested to hear your "well thought out argument".
>
>><<What's surprising is that people are still heavily consuming bad
>> >music.>>
>>
>>Why is that surprising? Plenty of people like bad stuff.
>
> Sorry, I can help wonder how the Insyncs of the world get fans.
>
> Bad Music sells more the good artists. That's surprising.
>
>>But that's their prerogative.
>
> Yes it is, but that doesn't mean we can't poke fun at it.
>
>>I'm sure you listen to music that some people classify as "bad".
>
> Definitely possible, I wouldn't know, the people that I am usually around
> like the stuff I am into. Unless they have a prejudice to a certain sound.
> Some friends I have acted disgusted when they hear house, no matter how good
> it is.
>
>>Who are you to judge?
>
> I think we are all judges, and have the right to judge what we like or don't
> like. What we want to make fun of or praise.
>
> If we want to say we thought Ocean Spray sucked, that our right. So stop
> trying to sound like a prissy little bitch.
>
>>Or is it just "bad" in your opinion.
>
> Bingo.
>
>>Then perhaps you should qualify your opinions, instead of making vague
>> >comments out to be truths.
>
> I don't think I was being vague. I spoke what is true for me. If you wish
> everyone to fully explain everything in detail, I'm sorry to disappoint you
> but 80% (+) of the posts on this list are "vague" and don't explain any
> truths of the universe.
>
>><<Trust me I can laugh when it comes to Trent's music.>>
>>
>>It's good to know you have a sense of humor. Or do you?
>
> Most of the time.
>
>><<Among the "industrial", he is it's pop king>>
>>
>>Shows how ignorant you are. Nine Inch Nails is hardly "industrial".
>
> In the true sense of the word of course he isn't, artists like Throbbing
> Gristle are industrial. You can't deny that "industrial has been used to
> described NIN, Skinny Puppy, etc.
>
> You might be surprised if you read old interviews with Trent that he even
> refers to his music as industrial. I'm hardly ignorant on that. Even if I
> was that's no big crime to be ignorant about shitty music.
>
>><<That seems quite likely considering the calibre of his music.>>
>
>>Interesting... Since he takes plenty of time connecting his music
>>thematically, and has rigorous production standards... As well as >doing
>>tons of takes to get exactly the sound he wants.
>
> That does not mean that it is good! Often times artists are too self
> indulgent on a piece and it stills stinks.
>
>>I've heard different mixes of NIN songs that Trent has done.. And he's
>> >quite capable of producing "autechre" sounding songs if he wanted to.
>> >But that's not what he wants to do.
>
> No doubt. There are many people that have substantially less gear that
> already do try and sound like Autechre. I haven't heard one copycat that
> sounded nearly as good as AE.
>
>><<Yeah but some people do it well.>>
>
>>Once again.. What is so "bad" about his music, other than the fact >that
>>you don't like it?
>
> Many people have done a much better making "Industrial". I think he is the
> most over-hyped, less talented, biggest ego of all the people involved in
> that genre. When you listen to Pretty Hate Machine, you just want to smack
> him for being such a whiney bastard. Get over it, your girlfriend left you.
>
> Broken wasn't that bad. Downward Spiral SUCKED. Fragile SUCKS. In general
> NIN SUCKS.
>
>>Is it the visible portion of the population that likes it
>>(i.e. the high school kids wearing NIN shirts?), or is it something >else?
>>Is it because it's "trendy" to like NIN? Or is it something >even more
>>SHALLOW than that?
>
> No, I don't really care what people wear. I think the fashion of a style of
> music can be pretty silly, but it doesn't bother me.
>
> It bring a smile to my face when I see some little raver with furry pants.
>
>>Once again.. I challenge you to identify what is so "bad" and "sloppy"
>>about NIN.
>
> Sorry I'm a little bored of this topic, by now. I would rather talk about
> someone that is innovative and interesting. Not about someone that tries to
> be spooky by buying the Sharon Tate house (one of Charlie Manson's victims:
> Info for the younger idmers).
>
>>Take it if you like, but if you don't, then obviously you don't have
>>anything other than stuttering ignorance to back up your inane
>> >observations.
>
> You must really think that someone has to be ignorant if they don't like
> NIN. Hahahahahahaha How about Korn?
>
>>You can hide it anyway you like, even under the guise of "i don't even
>> >want to bother getting into it."
>
> I addressed your response, as I mentioned I am more than willing to come
> back to this discussion at a later date. I don't have much time for this
> today. I PROMISE :)
>
>>If you didn't, then you wouldn't have made those comments in the first
>> >place.
>
> I'm more than happy to discuss why i think Trent Reznor sucks, why i think
> he is a joke, etc. etc. Just remind me. Ok little fella
>
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