I am apologizing in advance, because I'm doing now, one of the two things
that were said to frustrate most list members, however, since my reply is an
overall one and not sentence specific, I'll do it here in the head and you
all can delete if you feel the need.
I am curious as to why all the cynicism?
The people on this list, I like to think, have a higher appreciation for
music with depth and 'intelligence'. Perhaps that's elitist of me, but I do.
With this being the case, I wonder how it's possible that those of you
complaining about how boring shows are can't see that perhaps the lack of
visual stimuli is there for a reason.
It's been my experience that this is the case. While at a show, I am there
for the music solely, not to chat or read or whatnot, and I prefer to sit
comfortably, close my eyes and submit myself wholly to the music. In
essence, allowing my brain create all the stimuli needed.
however, if its stimuli you're interested in.. let me suggest Masonna.
Excellent noise artist, as well as all the visual aesthetics you could dream
of. =)
I've left the previous posts below as a reference to my own post.
so there. nyah.
-,,^. .^,,
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Jeremy [mailto:galactic_funk@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 1:32 PM
To: jeff@spof.net; idm@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [idm] Yeah, but rock shows are boring too.
quoted 5 lines From: Jeff Pitrman <jeff@spof.net>
>From: Jeff Pitrman <jeff@spof.net>
>
> This isn't just a response specifically to this or Mr. Jeremy, but
>the one thing I've been thinking the whole time I've read >this thread.
>Generally people are comparing IDM shows to rock shows.
I think people are comparing Idm shows to any form a live entertainment they
go see. There is an expected visual aspect for just about anything you
see. A dimly lit place (and typically bad sound) with a guy clicking a
mouse doesn't really cut it for most.
quoted 3 lines Watching some guy click a mouse isn't exciting. Watching someone like
>Watching some guy click a mouse isn't exciting. Watching someone like
> >Lexaunculpt isn't riveting, but I find watching four guys plucking
> >strings and hitting drums to be just as boring.
Some bands are boring to watch...usually the ones that don't move. Some
bands bring a lot of energy into their performance, some drummers are great
to watch.
quoted 2 lines Watching musicians grimace and lean into the microphone and spin in
>Watching musicians grimace and lean into the microphone and spin in
> >circles while playing guitars isn't even remotely entertaining to me.
Are you saying you have never seen a band EVER that has been interesting
live? I have seen plenty that have either been great to watch or very
entertaining visually. I can wholeheartedly say I would take a Pink Floyd
concert over a mouse session anyday.
quoted 2 lines Musicians aren't more exciting when they jump up and down or wave >their
>Musicians aren't more exciting when they jump up and down or wave >their
>hands.
Usually that's rather cheesy.
I hear your worst case scenario for bands. What about laptop guys? There is
no experience whatsoever. What's the big thrill? The guy grabbing a glass
of water to drink, or the guy accidentally pulling down the wrong window or
button.
quoted 4 lines Seriously, I'm really not being glib when I say that most IDM
> Seriously, I'm really not being glib when I say that most IDM
>shows should turn the lights up a little, provide more tables to >sit at,
>and let people sit down and read or talk quietly in the back >while they
>listen.
If it was a coffee house situation where I could have a cup of coffee and
talk with someone or read...that could be keen.
Sitting and watching some on stage looking like they are "doing homework".
No thanks. If there was some visuals, puppet show, whatever maybe. Doing
nothing whatsoever seems like they are doing the absolute minimal, if
anything at all.
quoted 2 lines Some music demands and rewards attentive listening, but most of it is
>Some music demands and rewards attentive listening, but most of it is
>froofy melodies and tricky little chiastic beats.
Visuals have never detracted from listening IMHO. Being completely assaulted
with visuals would not detracted me one bit.
quoted 6 lines There's not enough there to just stand and listen for hours on end. If
>There's not enough there to just stand and listen for hours on end. If
> >there were screens to look at, or I had a book to read, I would be more
> >ready to sit through every performance. Standing there in the dark with
> >my arms crossed staring at some laptop, or standing by a speaker >dancing
>by myself (since dancing seems to be forbidden at hip idm >shows) both get
>boring quickly.
AGREED.
quoted 4 lines As much as we're all expected to hate and scorn raves on this
> As much as we're all expected to hate and scorn raves on this
>list, I've always found more to do at parties with a big space, >room to
>walk around, a crowd that is actually reacting overtly to music,
>playstations hooked up, and whatever else promoters do to be nifty.
For one thing the sound & visuals tends to be better. The age group isn't
particularly appealing. Neither is the tendency for it to be more about
drugs, then the music. But you can't have everything.
quoted 3 lines If I could go raving and hear interesting music (and there's plenty of
>If I could go raving and hear interesting music (and there's plenty of
>stuff like Cylob that is simultaneously pocket pen protector-friendly
> >and funky and danceable) that would make me pretty happy.
Chill out areas are cool, kind of a thing of the past it seems.
quoted 1 line The rock show format is boring.
>The rock show format is boring.
It's definitely no more so then your typical IDM style show.
quoted 4 lines I don't want to spend $9 for a little tiny drink, and I don't want
>I don't want to spend $9 for a little tiny drink, and I don't want
>to stand around amidst a bunch of Hollywood hipsters trying hard to look
>bored. I dunno what shows are like in the rest of the world, but there must
>be some happy medium.
Looking bored is universal, except for the occasional few that try and
dance.
quoted 7 lines I want to see a laptop orchestra. That would be hott. If there
> I want to see a laptop orchestra. That would be hott. If there
>were no beats, or maybe everyone were synched to the same midi >tempo
>controller ... would that be doable? Ten guys with laptops, each tweaking
>their software synths and patterns. Hmm. It could be very cool >for
>improv-microsound music (which is a currently running topic on that list),
>and maybe give things a more spontaneous feel than just one >person
>arranging the sound.
It would still be boring visually, but I would be interested in hearing what
might come out of it.
quoted 1 line Some DJs use the same sounds in all their tunes, for years on end.
> Some DJs use the same sounds in all their tunes, for years on end.
Some do, a lot of the good ones will do doubles and interesting layering.
Many of the tunes Richie Hawtin play are in a similar vein, yet he does a
good job making it interesting.
quoted 1 line DJs are glorified jukeboxes.
>DJs are glorified jukeboxes.
Bad ones are.
You obviously don't know what you are talking about when it comes to good
djs. Either that or your local area is filled with crap djs, and/or idm djs.
quoted 1 line They play prerecorded material for people to dance to.
>They play prerecorded material for people to dance to.
Ever seen someone on three tables? Some djs can do some brilliant stuff.
quoted 4 lines But when you have people who hit 'play' on the laptop and we go to see them
>But when you have people who hit 'play' on the laptop and we go to see them
>for purposes of hearing the new tunes (most of the reason I go to shows), I
>guess you could argue it's not really any >different from seeing whatever
>big name junglist for the sake of >dubplate fetishism.
Except for the way the dj mixes, the sound & the vibe (oh and the booty).
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