quoted 8 lines From: Kent williams <kent@avalon.net>
>From: Kent williams <kent@avalon.net>
>
>All right it's that time of the month, I'm going to be a bitch.
>
>Electronic music challenges the performer in ways that traditional
> >performance does not. Since the music is created outside of real time
> >(sometimes WAY outside of real time -- like when I tweak the same 1 >bar
>loop for two hours), it is a challenge to really make it a >performance.
If the "performer" is using a laptop their workload has probably been
simplyfied a great deal. It's not like they are playing really fast drums
or traditional instruments...they are in many cases just clicking a mouse.
As far as performance...it is often nonexistant. Watching someone click a
mouse is not a performance.
quoted 2 lines Just pushing 'play' on a laptop doesn't constitute a live performance,
>Just pushing 'play' on a laptop doesn't constitute a live performance,
>granted.
Of course, and I'm sure most of us have seen many shows where that is all
the artists does.
quoted 3 lines But it sounds like what people are asking for is the kind of spectacle
>But it sounds like what people are asking for is the kind of spectacle
> >created by rock bands. If you want that, maybe Nelson will attempt a
> >comeback and make you happy.
Now we know where your pre-idm tastes...eeew.
You guys can keep attacking rock or rock pardigm. etc,
There has been a long tradition of live music before rock. Such as
classical.
I certainly wouldn't want to go to a theatrical play and instead of seeing
actors on stage, they just push a remote control and you see a pre-recorded
image. Like every actor in the play had their own tv screen dedicated to
their character. Conceptually that might be entertaining to see once, but
not routinely.
quoted 2 lines But is there is something inherently valid about prancing around
>But is there is something inherently valid about prancing around
>like a drunken weasel playing a 3 note bassline?
It would be more interesting seeing the artist pour concrete and shaping on
the floor than clicking a mere button every once in a while.
quoted 7 lines It is possible to be very spontaneous with a laptop. Vladislav Delay's
>It is possible to be very spontaneous with a laptop. Vladislav Delay's
>set was done with Reaktor, and it is very much live. Kit Clayton live
>is very live. Stewart Walker live is very live.
>Rich Devine (when I saw him) was playing digital audio straight out of
>cubase, but he was tweaking it live with effects and an access virus.
>I thought it was way cool because it was cool music. People dug it.
>But if someone wants to come in and push play, judge it on it's merits.
The setting & sound could or drunken fools could add to it
quoted 2 lines If they were up all night the night before lashing a new track >together,
>If they were up all night the night before lashing a new track >together,
>and no one except the artist has heard it before, isn't that >something?
New tunes are worth hearing.
quoted 1 line And if you're not a musician, how do you know what they're actually >doing?
>And if you're not a musician, how do you know what they're actually >doing?
You don't have to be a musician to be knowledgeable about how to make music.
When you have a few friends that make tunes and read articles in music
zine...it's not to hard.
quoted 8 lines Let me tell you a story -- about a year ago, I played live -- I had 3 or
>Let me tell you a story -- about a year ago, I played live -- I had 3 or
>4 tracks that were really live -- i was playing a keyboard, and programming
>a drum machine in live mode. But I also had tracks to cover setting up
>for a new song on CD, and some tracks on an Akai S20 sampler that were
>just 'push play' tracks. But I did have a lot of funky looking gear on
>stage. After I played people said they liked the set, but a lot
>of people seemed to be impressed with the gear. They didn't know what I
>did with it, if anything.
Fascinating story...you've changed my mind. Click away on your little
mouse, i'll never doubt anyone ever again. If someone comes on stage with a
just a stapler and a microphone...I'll be excited
quoted 4 lines Gear for gear for it's own sake is about as creative as the front >window
>Gear for gear for it's own sake is about as creative as the front >window
>of a music store. I was getting props basically for my ability >to hump
>stuff up the back stairs and plug it in, as much for the music >I actually
>played.
I suppose store fronts are more interesting than clicking a mouse. What are
electronic artists so oppose to something visual?
quoted 1 line Which is to say that the showbiz stuff is bullshit.
>Which is to say that the showbiz stuff is bullshit.
So is paying to watch some push a button every few minutes.
quoted 2 lines Aphex Twin got a lot of mileage out of smelly teddy bear suits. I've
>Aphex Twin got a lot of mileage out of smelly teddy bear suits. I've
> >thought of hiring a clown to make balloon animals during my sets.
Might be a good idea.
quoted 3 lines Given my ridiculous stage name, maybe I should get a chair from the
>Given my ridiculous stage name, maybe I should get a chair from the
> >Goodwill and smash it up on stage. The point, I guess, no matter WHAT
> >you do it's at least as valid as playing records.
You obviously have not seen any really good djs. Typically, I hear more
sounds and variation when I see a good dj. Some artist's use the same
sounds in all of their tunes. So I guess that's another reason to choose a
dj or a mouse expert.
quoted 1 line And everyone knows it's the DJs that get all the booty.
>And everyone knows it's the DJs that get all the booty.
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