quoted 2 lines Actually, if you take the dictionary definition of "Art" it> Actually, if you take the dictionary definition of "Art" it
> means any skill or craft.
Sounds fine to me. You got something against having a skill or craft?
quoted 6 lines IE--the chap working on the assembly line is an> IE--the chap working on the assembly line is an
> artist at what
> he does. ...and since you won't see the common working man
> at the art
> museum, I suppose you can take that dictionary definition and
> throw it in the trash.
Or you could take that dictionary definition and use it to replace whatever
incorrect definition is currently occupying space in your cerebrum.
Alternately you could (being the staunch advocate for the "common chap" that
you are) begin to think of the labors of the working man or woman as being
worthy of the same respect given to artists. You might also choose to show a
tiny bit respect for those of us who are both artists and working people and
not paint a picture of the world in which art is inaccessible to us because
we are "common". You might even go so far as to see art-making as a
legitimate career for an honest working person.
quoted 6 lines Historically, "art" and its appreciation is more> Historically, "art" and its appreciation is more
> of a leisurely
> pursuit saved for the bourgeois at the expense of the
> proletariat. ...and
> thus a bunch of hi-brow nonsense that I would rather not be
> associated with.
Agreed. So let's see... you make music, but it's not "art", right? So
therefore the music that you do on your expensive musical equipment doesn't
count as a "leisurely pursuit saved for the bourgeois," is that what you're
trying to say? So, you are a proletarian music maker, is that it? You work
in the 808 factory making beats to feed the working people?
quoted 10 lines You make music, right? Do you think that you're not an artist? It's> >You make music, right? Do you think that you're not an artist? It's
> >admirable to try to be modest about what you're doing, but
> art is not a bad
> >word, it's just a regular word.
>
> You think "art" is a regular word? Just look at the chaps
> and gals you see
> at "institutes of art". It is enough to note that they are called
> "institutes" to know that the word has more of a "high-falootin'"
> connotation to it then simply a down to earth term.
Yes, except that for every one artist in the "institutes" there are ten
thousand who are not. Are they not artists because the institutions do not
embrace them? Attitudes like yours only serve to perpetuate the myth that
art is a pursuit only for the rich. You are correct to put it on the same
level as any other kind of labor, but that does not mean that art is not
valuable. Rather, it means that all labor is valuable.
By your logic, since only the privileged are able to eat every day then
eating itself must be a vile luxury of the rich.
quoted 6 lines once you begin> once you begin
> seeing musical creations as the work of common chaps, you'll
> begin to lose
> the fanboy trappings that your original post suffered from.
> (The "I'm so
> disenchanted with..." blabberings.)
It's highly aggravating, childish, and rude of you to call my posts
"blabberings", especially since I never used that silly word "disenchanted."
And if you ask anybody who knows me on this list I am hardly a "fanboy".
Hell, you don't even know if I'm even a boy!!
quoted 6 lines I have not done telephone interviews with hundreds of> >I have not done telephone interviews with hundreds of
> sampling artists to
> >derive my conclusions, but my informed guess is ...
>
> Well, in that case...your opinion would be UNinformed, now
> wouldn't it?
Perhaps you can share the results of YOUR scientifically conducted poll of
sampling musicians to the rest of the list? Or you could admit that you're
talking as much out of your ass, er, I mean 'personal experience', as I just
admitted I am.
quoted 4 lines you come across as someone who is close minded to> you come across as someone who is close minded to
> sampling. Your
> comments above seem to show that your knowledge of sampling is a bit
> lacking at that....
You are such a fucking prick, you know that? I was playing with cheap toy
casio samplers before you were born and listening to Public Enemy cassettes
I taped from my friends when you were still playing with your bourgeois
Optimus Prime action figure in the sandbox. Get off of whatever high horse
you are on and assume that the people you are having email debates with are
not idiots and might actually have something worthwhile to say.
quoted 6 lines actually, i personally think it's more difficult to create unique> >actually, i personally think it's more difficult to create unique
> >words you haven't heard before.
>
> Deleting some unrelated commentary on the creation of poetry. This
> sentence is flawed in that there is no such thing as "unique
> words".
Don't quote two different people in the same email without indicating who
said what, it's basic email etiquette. I never said that stuff.
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