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Chris Fahey
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Thu, 15 Jun 2000 19:54:42 -0400
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RE: [idm] samplism
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quoted 3 lines I love it when intersections like this pop up on the list. In another> I love it when intersections like this pop up on the list. In another > thread, people are discussing a tendency to focus on technique when > critiquing music, and here we get a perfect example of that.
I love the intersections too, but please don't assume that by discussing Luke Vibert's technique in constructing that song that we are discussing the totality of Luke Vibert's oeuvre, or even the totality of that particular song.
quoted 2 lines What we have here is a case of disillusionment and resentment> What we have here is a case of disillusionment and resentment > toward an artist.
Not resentment at all, just disillusionment. I imagined X when listening to a track and I found out the reality was Y.
quoted 5 lines The only difference is one piece of information that> The only difference is one piece of information that > shattered an ideal. ... Let the "suffering > artist" crap go, it never did anyone any good. > > The piece sounds the same as when you didn't know it was a sample.
Well, that's true, but my appreciation of the music involves more than the sound - there is an intellectual component. To paraphrase Adam P, if I find out my shoes were made by child labor, they certainly cannot be said to be as comfortable. But I don't know what you're talking about with that "suffering artist" crack, since that's not what I wrote about nor do I have any opinion about suffering except that I think that it's always wrong. When I experience art, however, I always imagine myself making the art. It's part of how I think about all art, and I think a lot of other people do this to one degree or another, by imagining the artmaking process. I put myself in the artist's shoes and imagine why he or she made the decisions they did. I don't overintellectualize, I just do it automatically. My interpretation of that particular song was this: I thought it was a cool self-referential song that willfully exposed the tools and means of building electronic music. I turned out to be wrong in the sense that the artist probably didn't intend that. More likely, he thought the sample sounded cool and put it in for that reason alone. As an artist, I strive to not do something simply because "it's cool". Rather, I try to build some kind of intellectual reason behind it. I was disappointed to find out that Vibert didn't create his art the way I thought he did. To be honest it doesn't even lessen my high appreciation of that track on a visceral level, but on an intellectual level I can't really get much out of it if I know that his intellectual agenda was simply to make something that sounds cool. It's like this: Imagine that you like the music of, say, Milli Vanilli. Imagine that you think "Damn, these guys are great singers, they really know their craft!". Then you find out that they were simply models lipsynching to music made by anonymous session singers. You may be disappointed. Is it your fault for having an unrealistic and naive expectation that modern pop stars sing their own material? Maybe. By the same token it may be my fault for assuming that an artist I admire might put some intellectual thought into the words that I hear on his records. Big deal, so I'm disappointed. I get disappointed in artists all the time, you know, including my own self and my artist friends. They're not gods, they're just peers, including Luke Vibert. By the way, I can't beleive that although I specifically said that I wasn't saying anything bad about sampling, everyone invariably started arguing about how beat jacking is postmodern and that I'm closed minded to sampling as collage and all that crap. That whole debate is almost 15 years old now and I'm not interested in it. Sampling is here, it's perfectly ethical and I have no problem with it. To say that sampling is bad is like saying that red is bad or that the piano is bad. Please give me the benefit of the doubt and assume that my critiques are not the dogmatic proclamations of an ignorant 18 year old. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org