good point. i guess i was just making the generalization that since i
like 'em they push the limit... but let me see if i cam rationalize that.
the roots definitely push the limits of hip hop in their live act by using
REAL instruments (and rather well i might add) and their production is
pretty adventurous for commercial hip hop (they're on MCA, it's
commercial) ... i mean in comparison to fucking Puff Daddy or Dr. Dre they
are definitely pushing boundaries
same thing with Mos Def/Black Star ... these two records use a lot of
sounds that traditional hip hoppers wouldn't be adventurous enough to try.
in general, a lot of hip hop is pretty conservative ... there's a formula
and they stick to it. my point is these records break the rules ... case
in point: B Boys will B Boys on Black Star uses old school breaks and
rhyming, which isn't really pushing the envelope in the sense that its
never been done before, but it is in the sense that it isn't done
*anymore* ... until now anyway
the Mos Def song 'Umi Says' kinda has some drum-n-bass influence (well
really it feels like drum n bass because drum-n-bass goes for that jazzy
feel ... anyway i shut up now). basically it could be an out-take from a
Good Looking joint... which again isn't really pushing the limit of
anything but trad hip hop
so uh now i justified myself. but i could still agree with the sentiment
that Mos Def/Black Star/Roots certainly aren't pushing the limits as much
as Co Flow and Krush
josh
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On Wed, 24 May 2000, jre wrote:
quoted 47 lines Hi,
> Hi,
> It's a pretty good selection of pretty good music. For once I'm not posting
> to disagree.
> But could you please tell me how The Roots, Mos Def and Black Star manage to
> push the limit ? I like what they do but can't see why they're considered
> inovators.
>
> Thanks,
> Jr
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 4:57 PM
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> >
> > Hip hop that pushes the limit:
> > (top five imho)
> >
> > 1. DJ Krush - Kakusei (Sony)
> > 2. Company Flow - Little Johnny from the Hospitul (Rawkus)
> > 3. The Roots - Things Fall Apart (MCA)
> > 4. Mos Def/Talib Kweli - Black Star (Rawkus)
> > 5. Mos Def - Black on Both Sides (Rawkus)
> >
> > jsoh
> >
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