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Apologies for the non-idm content:
Could everyone please try not to quote the whole of a message unless
necessary? It's extremely annoying, especially for digest subscribers,
to get a message like this one from #1086 (sorry for posting the whole
lot again, it's only to make a point):
quoted 12 lines I'm seeing him tuesday.... We'll see what happens in NYC. We'll storm
>I'm seeing him tuesday.... We'll see what happens in NYC. We'll storm
>his shit if he quits after 25 minutes. I seriously thought he would at
>least go on for 45 minutes to an hour.. at least. That's not a lot to
>expect from a DJ.
>
>He's doing the instore stump-the-DJ preformance at Other Music on monday
>night, then the show at Tramps the next night.
>
>I have no worries about Jeru. But has anyone ever heard of Camp Lo,
>their opening act?
>
>- -CF
12 lines, here, compared to I-can't-be-bothered-to-count-how-many in the
original message, one which we all saw and read a few messages ago. Now
this isn't meant to be a personal thing, I've removed the details of
sender, just a general thing. If you're replying to a message, quote
just enough for us to know what it was about, unless it was a really
long time ago. Otherwise it takes time to skip all the quoted text and
is very irritating. Note also that the quoted text is often spread over
two lines because the message window wasn't wide enough to fit the full
lines with the quoting symbol ">". In most email programs you can fix
this too, making the message easier to read.
Thanks :)
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quoted 187 lines -----Original Message-----
> -----Original Message-----
> From: idm-owner@hyperreal.com [SMTP:idm-owner@hyperreal.com] On Behalf
> Of William D. VanLoo
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 1997 11:05 AM
> To: beaumont.6@osu.edu
> Cc: idm@hyperreal.com
> Subject: Re: (idm) Dj Shadow Live - Horrible
>
> In light of the "dj shadow is horrible live" thread, I thought I'd
> toss my
> opinion in (since it's pretty far to the contrary...)
>
> > Well tonight I drove for about 5 hours round trip just to see DJ
> Shadow
> > play live in Cincinatti, Ohio. And before you start ragging on me
> for
> > liking him, or say something along the lines of "I could have told
> you =
> > he would suck", hear me out.
>
> I too drove long distances last weekend to see DJ Shadow (well, I spun
> at
> a small party, too, but seeing Shadow was the main focus). I came
> around
> 16 hours round trip, from the Upper Peninsula of Michigan to
> Minneapolis.
>
> Friday while in Minneapolis, my small crew and I saw that Shadow would
> be performing in-store at Let It Be record store the next day. Chalked
> it
> up as a must-do, considering that he invited those attending to each
> bring
> one piece of vinyl, which he'd mix into his set.
>
> The next day, we went back to Let It Be, and saw the masses forming.
> Each
> of us gave our record to the person collecting them. I brought "Bug in
> the
> Bassbin" by Innerzone Orchestra, my friend brought a dub record, and
> his
> girlfriend brought my copy of Photek's "Natural Born Killers" ep on
> Metalheadz. Shadow began his set by saying something to the effect of
> "Hi,
> I'm Josh. This is my fourth-ever in-store performance", and then went
> on
> to explain how he thought it'd be great to, instead of just playing
> records out of his own box, he'd have people bring their own.
>
> Lemme just say that this was a pretty damn cool idea. He had
> everything
> from Muzak records to Tangerine Dream (not too far off the first...)
> to
> old Run-DMC to Photek. He actually played "Consciousness" of the
> Photek
> record (at 45rpm!). One of the highlights for me was seeing him drop
> in a
> sample of some kid's record saying "Let's wait here for the storm to
> blow
> over", and then cutting it back to the beat in perfect time (from a
> record
> he'd just been handed).
>
> So the in-store was really cool. Next, on to the show:
>
> > I drove down for 5 hours, suffered through some horrid hip hop act,
> and
> > then listened to Jeru the Damaja do his thing. Jeru was excellent
> minus
> > his whole anti-asian comments and a few stupid gangsta like moments
> of
> > juvenile crap - other than that, he put on a fun live show.
>
> This was almost exactly opposite from my experience. In Minneapolis,
> Shadow was slated to play solo first, then appear with the two MCs he
> works with, Lyrics Born and Lateef, collectively known as Latyrx. Then
> Jeru, then Shadow solo again.
>
> When we got there, Shadow was spinning behind Latyrx, laying down the
> beats and putting some scratches in. I personally thought Latyrx was
> pretty good - they were _into_ performing for this crowd, even though
> they
> were some thousand-odd miles from California. Lyrics Born even
> mentioned
> he'd stay in Minneapolis if he could, they were that excited to play
> for
> the crowd. It really showed in their performance; they were
> enthusiastic,
> they played off each other's energy, and they didn't bog down with
> bullshit crowd participation/baiting, the way Jeru did...
>
> Jeru, in my opinion, was on some bullshit. He came out and did his
> show,
> but *every single verse*, it seemed, he'd stop everything and
> threaten
> the crowd by saying he'd leave if everybody didn't get hyped. By the
> end
> of the night, I was ready for him to leave looong before he did. Don't
> get
> me wrong, because I love hip-hop. I understand crowd participation,
> and
> crowd involvement. But berating an audience isn't the way to do it.
> This
> was especially clear when contrasted with Latyrx, a young, hungry
> group
> eager to do their thing, have a good time, and put on a good
> performance.
>
> > The DJ Shadow came on, first they never turned the lights down for
> him, so
> > it was like watching him in a gym. Secondly, and this is the part I
> am =
> > very angry about, he played for 15 minutes. THAT'S IT. I drove for
> hours, =
> > paid my money to see THAT. I absolutely couldn't believe it. We
> were given =
> > no explanation, and shadow just walked off the stage. Never played
> =
> > "What does your soul look like", etc. Nothing. Total 15 minutes
> =3D =
> > $15 ticket, $20 gas, and $15 or so money I could have made working =
> > tonight. $50 to see him play one or two songs and leave.
>
> I admit to being disappointed about the short closing set myself. But
> you
> have to realize that, if it was anything like the Minn. date, he'd
> done an
> instore, done a solo performance and backed his two MCs BEFORE you
> even
> saw him at the end. I was kicking myself for not getting to the venue
> sooner so I could have seen his solo performance at the beginning, but
> I
> was pretty well consoled by the absolutely beautiful music Shadow was
> playing during his 20-25 minute closing set.
>
> Shadow had both his turntables and some studio gear with him, and
> seemed
> to be using both. I think he started his set off record, and then
> mixed in
> some sample-based stuff off his gear. He played basically all album
> tracks
> from "Endtroducing..." and did a lot of mixing stuff over/with/around
> the
> tracks coming from whatever source. His beats sounded soooo good on a
> loud
> PA, and he also was obviously very into his performance. He actually
> broke
> it down in his set to 3 or 4 minutes of just strings and pads, no
> beats,
> in a _club_, mind you, before finally bring a beat in. I watched his
> set
> and was inspired.
>
> This man creates mood like nobody's business. During "Midnight in a
> perfect world", you could see that it was midnight in that club. His
> stuff
> was just really, really good.
>
> > Needless to say I don't ever plan on buying DJ Shadow or Mo Wax
> again
> > if this is the respect they have for their fans. And to think, 15 =
> > minutes from my house Dego from Reinforced was playing live.
> Cheaper, =
> > closer, and probably much much better.
>
> Well, sorry you didn't like it. If I had the opportunity to see Dego
> live
> 15 minutes from me I would have probably stayed home too, but I would
> missed a really inspirational show, in my opinion. You really
> shouldn't
> blame Mo'Wax or Shadow, though. As far as I know, the tour is
> organized by
> London/FFRR, the US distributors of both Mo'Wax (shadow) and Payday
> (Jeru). It was their decision to organize things that way, I think,
> and
> Mo'Wax or Shadow probably had no decision in how it was set up. Don't
> short yourself on good music because of one bad experience.
>
> Peace,
>
> Bill / dj marathon
>
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