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Erkki Rautio
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Tue, 6 Feb 1996 18:21:00 +0200 (EET)
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(idm) Alec Empire
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ALEC EMPIRE INTERVIEW by DJ Entox, January '96 (Check http://www.basenet.net/~skreem for more info on The Skreem zine, or contact DJEntox@aol.com) DJ Entox: What projects do you have going on now? You have Atari Teenage Riot, Jaguar..... Alec Empire: I'm doing stuff on my own, the hardcore stuff, and stuff for Mille Plateaux which has a different vibe, not as aggressive. And I've got this other band, called Zeit.. DJ: And that's your newest project? AE: It's not a project of mine, I'm joining this band, it was originally Phillip and Luisa, and I'm doing my part in it. And of course I'm doing the label Digital Hardcore.. DJ: When did Atari Teenage Riot start? AE: This started in the beginning of '92.. Carl, hanin and I were playing together already, I started doing hard acid.. like in 89-90, I was playing at hardcore raves in Berlin. This was when they were good. Then I met Hanin and she was doing stuff on her own, then we got Carl involved as an MC. Then about the end of '91 we were thinking the techno scene was pretty dead. In Germany we saw things move in this one direction.. DJ: Like with Mayday and such? AE: Yeah, you can say after the first Mayday the scene was dead. It was like "OK, the industry wants to exploit it now" And everyone was like "Yeah, OK, we can make some money at this!!" It was pretty dead. Only stupid people go now.. DJ: Carl's English, right? AE: No, he's from Africa, actually. He moved to Berlin. And Hanin is from Damascus, Syria. Erm.. Ok, yes.. Then we started to do this band Atari Teenage Riot because we wanted to get away from this "rave" project thing.. standing behind machines pressing buttons or whatever. I always hated this image that if your doing techno you have to do it without personality. In '91 I really hated this. At the moment in Germany, everyone is selling personality.. the major industries always need a face to sell. This thing about "techno personalities" having no faces, sometimes that's important, but if you hide behind something and try and say your not responsible for stuff, that's not good. DJ: Was the first ATR release the EP that came out on Vertigo in the UK? AE: Yeah.. We were the first band from Germany signed directly to a UK label. We did this project to help get money for Digital Hardcore because it was the plan to take the advance and do what we wanted to with it.. We did 2 EP's for them. The record company spent a lot of money for us. A year later we made them take us out of contract.. then we started Digital Hardcore a week after we unsigned from Vertigo. DJ: I remember seeing little ATR logos spread all over NME back in '93.. AE: Yeah, that was our idea, actually.. it was the one good promotional thing we did! No one over there knew what we wanted. DJ: When you started ATR, was that when a lot of the neo-nazi incidents began to happen a lot in Germany? AE: Yeah, this was one thing.. There was developement with the wall coming down. But in the late 80's the left side was in a big dilemma. Everything was going down. Then the wall came down in the early 90's. This is one reason we started liking acid, bringing the message of not listening to politics or commercials on TV, that's why we listened to techno. When the neo-nazi movement was rising again, this didn't make sense anymore, to escape from reality. We talked about all this stuff to German techno DJ's in the scene and they were always like "Come on, no politics on the dancefloor, we shouldn't care if Neo-Nazi's burn down foreigner's houses" or whatever. Hanin and Carl were both foreigners and they were being attacked all the time.. just walking down the street in East Berlin. Now in Berlin a lot of the punks have beaten up the skinheads so they stay in their own area and don't go out as much. A lot of the general population now in Germany has been caught up in a new nationalism movement.. It's a bad thing to see, and as things were moving in this direction we decided we had to use vocals to on top of our music to point out what we want to say. These ravers.. the first generation was like us, more involved, but the younger generation was all about taking drugs and only having fun, that's it. You have to get beyond instrumental music sometimes. Atari Teenage Riot is about getting information out of Germany. DJ: You eventually started using more breakbeats with ATR and yourself, did you see it as a form of protest, using breakbeats? AE: I made the first breakbeat record which was released in the UK in '91.. and in the end of '91 we were using more breakbeats because this stomping/marching rhythm.. which was coming from Detroit.. with UR etc. When trance came up in Germany, and it was played at raves.. raves in Germany are very bad. If you see events like the Loveparade, it looks like German's marching again. We wanted to use more beats from soul music or hip hop. We got a reaction right away from shops in Germany when "Hetsjagd Auf Nazi's" (Hunt the Nazi's Down) was released, it was about 2 weeks after racist attacks in Rostock, a lot of shops didn't want to distribute the record. This was very surprising, so many people in the techno scene were saying "love, peace, unity, respect" or whatever, but a lot of problems can't be solved by just saying these four words or whatever. It doesn't make sense. I saw at the Omen club, which was Sven Väth's club, Turkish people were not allowed in the club. A lot of Trance DJ's come out of the Skinhead scene.. a lot of people don't know this in other countries. A lot of neo-nazi magazines praised the Loveparade, saying it was a good event because there were no American or British techno, it was all German, for German teenagers. The DJ is like a dictator, the person who guides the masses. Back to the breakbeat issue, yeah we use breaks most of the time, but we do use straight bass on our albums, too. But, we use the breaks from the hardcore scene, not the more dub/ragga influenced jungle scene. DJ: Are you still going to use breakbeats? AE: Yeah, I like very much the punk sound with crashing cymbals, and you can only really get that out of breakbeats.. DJ: You sample a lot of punk samples.. like Sham 69 in "Kids Are United"... AE: Well, yeah, but I see samples in two different ways, the samples to show the relationship we share with early punk, perhaps.. and then there's sampling something for the sound. For instance on the track "Cyberpunks Are Dead" on "1995" the grinding sound is a backwards guitar from the Stooges. DJ: Are all the artists on DHR out of Berlin? AE: Yeah.. erm.. Shizuo is originally from Berlin, then he moved to London, now he's back in Berlin. EC8OR was from Cologne, but he moved to Berlin, and Christoph de Babalon is from Hamburg. DJ: Is anybody involed with DHR squatters or anything like that? AE: Well, like a lot of our events were held in abandoned houses and such, but no one is squatting anymore.. with all of our equipment we own, it's too risky. A lot of skater punks, and even German hip hop kids like DHR. DJ: Did you throw any anti-Loveparade or anti-Mayday events while they were going on? AE: Yeah, this Loveparade we did something at the Suicide Club.. this was a club we got for 4 months, but then it was closed by the police. The funny thing was was that Westbam and his bunch were throwing a party and it was ridiculously priced, like 50 DM's, and only 150 people went there.. but at the same time we were throwing a party with 700 people! One thing that is important is that Dr. Motte, who started the Loveparade, was doing an interview about it for a newspaper, the interviewers asked if he had "any last words" about the parade, because it is supposed to be a demonstration thing so that they don't have to pay money to the state, and the police and government say that it is only a party, not a demonstration with a message. And Dr. Motte said, "We are for Peace, Love and unity in the world, and my personal message is the Jews should keep quiet about German history and they should shut up and just have a good time and stop moaning about things." Everyone was amazed, and couldn't believe it. Then Dr. Motte gave an interview on the radio, and tons of people called up and said, things like 'Fuck You.. what were you thinking?" etc., but Dr. Motte kept standing behind his statement. But kids called up saying their weren't going to the Loveparade, and they said they were going to an Atari Teenage Riot event instead in protest.. it was interesting! As the interview went on, Dr. Motte kept saying crap like "Forget about history.... We are Germans we should be proud.." and everyone including the radio guy was ganging up against him, calling him a fascist! It was funny. The serious thing about it is that techno is so big, it is misused by the media and such to make kids not interested in politics or racism. We did the first Anti-Racism raves with Force Inc. in '92. Then we did some DHR festivals.. But the good thing is that ticket sales are going down at Mayday, not as many people are going. More and more people are realising it's a rip-off.... DJ: Digital Hardcore has two offices, one in Berlin and one in London. Who runs the London office? AE: A guy named Peter.. there are 3 people basically running DHR; me, Joël Amaretto and Peter. Peter was our manager and he does the On-U-Sound label too. DJ: We talked earlier and you mentioned you were trying to work out an American deal for ATR/DHR.. AE: Yeah, Pete is talking to different people and I'll know more in the future about that. We opened for KMFDM when they were in Europe.. they are from Germany, but living in Chicago, but they were thinking of starting up a label in the USA. DJ: What do you think about the American scene? Do you think kids would be interested in politcs? I think most kids here are into it for fun.. AE: I think you have to combine the two.. it's not always like we're frustrated! You see during our shows, maybe like 50% of people are there just for the music. DJ: What are the ATR live shows like? Are all three of you on stage performing? AE: Yes, we perform all the music live, there is equipment on stage, it's like a band. DJ: Have you organized any actual protests or demonstrations? AE: Well, we support a lot of friend's projects.. for instance there is this newspaper, "Junge Welt" which I think translates to "Young World" or something. And the next time we play in Berlin they will hold a big discussion on whether the left wing should be more militant, and we are going to play at that. We could do more of course, but it's so hard to organize! DJ: Are there any anti-nazi leagues in Germany you can write to or anything? AE: Well yes, but they are illegal.. it is forbidden to have organizations like that. We are on the list of Neo-Nazi organizations of "people to watch".. us and Force Inc. We have gotten attacks and messages on our machine from Nazis. Some of our shows have even been cancelled. DJ: When you did the ATR/EC8OR tour recently, where did you go? AE: Mainly a lot of cities and small towns in Germany, we tried to cover everything we could, then we went to Switzerland and then to Iceland, which was very good.. we are actually pretty big in Iceland! We're played on daytime radio, even.. We were surrounded all the time by kids wanting our autograph! This tour hasn't ended yet, actually. We go to Scandinavia at the end of February and England sometime as well. DJ: How much of a distribution do you have with DHR.. for instance # of pressings or whatever? AE: Well, the ATR stuff sold like 10,000 in Germany, Austria and Switzerland. We only do 1,000 pressings of all vinyl, it's a little more underground. DJ: Is the Bass Terror Squad still together? AE: You mean the soundsystem thing? DJ: Yeah... how did that operate? AE: Well, this was me, Moonraker and Carl Crack, then we started getting involved with other hardcore breakbeat DJ's in the end of '93. Bass Terror still exists with EC8OR, me, Moonraker and Carl Crack, there were three other DJ's but now they are all doing like happy hardcore or drum and bass and trance or whatever. Copyright © 1996 The Skreem. ----- ERkki and there will be a false leader, he said trerra@uta.fi