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quoted 17 lines well, i've tried both (tying shoes and writing music that is). i can say

>well, i've tried both (tying shoes and writing music that is). i can say >pretty much without question that i've got tying the ole shoes altogether >figured out... but when it comes to writing "iz-us", well, it ain't quite >there yet. thanks for the encouragement, tho. > >joking aside, i've got to admit that i think you're totally wrong. saying >"aphex twin is overrated!" is much different from saying "anyone could >write that crap!". the first statement is pretty easily argued when >someone is built up like richard has been. the second just shows you can >only see the world in black and white. > >personally i think his reaction to being repeatedly built up and torn down >has been pretty entertaining. hell, if people were lobbing rocks at me >because of the ridiculously wonderful things other people had said about >me, i'd take the piss now and then, too. and then still make it >heartachingly beautiful just to rub in the fact that they were right. >

Well heres the recipe to write IZ-US: 1. Get a decent synth with symphonic pads. Use any string/modifed string sound. Roland series keyboards are good for this (jd800,jp8000,etc) as well as Korgs (m1,01/w,etc) 2. Work out a simple chord progression using major chords, minors if you want a little "emotional depth" 3. Go to the store and buy a sample CD. "Wicked loops" and "remix" are two CDS with decent loops. See, ya dont even need a drum machine anymoe :)... 4. Select a loop around 110-125 or so BPM. Makes for that unrushed pace.... 5 Sequence those chords and place a drum track with that loop endless repeating. 6. If you have cubase, run some effects such as reverb, delay for some fun. Makes for a catchy song. For larger parties just ultiply proportions :)! On an Asr-10 keyboard/sampler, you could do it in minutes. Literally. THe real joke for me is not his oh-so-intelligent pokes at pop culture, but the people who read into the antics of RDJ so much. I expect to see a thesis from one of you guys soon for your gaduate work: "A Marxian analysis of Come To Daddy"...:) The big joke is that he is laughing at the idiots who spend their life analyzing him. Reminds me of the old Mad magazine skit "You know you're sad when....you spend hours analyzing the smudge on the new album cover of your favorite band, only to find it was a bit of peanut butter from the sandwich you were eating." A A. Mukerjee Vassar College Laws are like cobwebs, which may catch small flies, but let wasps and hornets break through. --Jonathan Swift

At 4:22 PM -0500 11/3/97, Ami Mukerjee wrote:

quoted 1 line Well heres the recipe to write IZ-US:

>Well heres the recipe to write IZ-US:

<How to write a generic song deleted> well i could write a similar recipe for "how to paint a monet" or "how to write 'catcher in the rye'" or "how to write a beatles song" (obvious answer: just ask oasis) doesn't prove a damn thing. (just ask oasis)

quoted 5 lines The big joke is that he is laughing at the idiots who spend their

> The big joke is that he is laughing at the idiots who spend their >life analyzing him. Reminds me of the old Mad magazine skit "You know >you're sad when....you spend hours analyzing the smudge on the new album >cover of your favorite band, only to find it was a bit of peanut butter >from the sandwich you were eating."

sad, maybe. but at least we're deriving enjoyment and pleasure out of something beautiful for what it is, rather than ridiculing it for what it's not. sadder, i would think, that you can't do the same... btw, i'd love to hear your version of iz-us. if you can record it (shouldn't take more than a couple minutes, eh?) i'll put it up on a realaudio server and we can ask everyone else what they think as well. while i think you are seriously trivializing the creativity required of this with your recipe, i also think you are underestimating the technical skills required. either way, put or shut up, as the saying goes... ... art

On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Art Kerns wrote:

quoted 1 line either way, put or shut up, as the saying goes...

> either way, put or shut up, as the saying goes...

right, so continue this thread off list, thanks! aran

In message <199711051934.OAA01763@ns.thethinker.com>, Ami Mukerjee <sinewave@thethinker.com> writes

quoted 3 lines Well heres the recipe to write IZ-US:

>Well heres the recipe to write IZ-US: >1. Get a decent synth with symphonic pads. Use any string/modifed string >sound.

<snip load of arrogant shit> Doesn't this just reek of the debate that happened only a little while back about whether it actually *matters* how music is made, whether it was made with talent or not, or is it the *end result* that matters? Coz i don't give a shit how a piece of music was made if it's really good music. -- Ben Coffer Hybrid Productions http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/

On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Ami Mukerjee wrote:

quoted 4 lines I know I can,

> I know I can, > and that is not out of conceit, and there are COUNTLESS others who can do > it alot better. My point is that HE's not one of them He is where he is > because of the usual - being at the right time at the right place.

Oh fer cryin out loud. This smacks of success envy and sour grapes. RDJ may have in some respect had some great luck in being where he was when he was, but so what? You were lucky to stay on the curb this morning instead of getting mashed by a bus. More musically relevant, really great popular music has the property of being original, yet sounding totally obvious. Feel free not to like Aphex Twin. I know my wife hates him with a passion. But this criticism isn't just lame, it's also one that recurs on IDM frequently, and always gathers plenty of "put up or shut up" followups.

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quoted 17 lines In message <199711051934.OAA01763@ns.thethinker.com>, Ami Mukerjee

>In message <199711051934.OAA01763@ns.thethinker.com>, Ami Mukerjee ><sinewave@thethinker.com> writes >>Well heres the recipe to write IZ-US: >>1. Get a decent synth with symphonic pads. Use any string/modifed string >>sound. ><snip load of arrogant shit> > >Doesn't this just reek of the debate that happened only a little while >back about whether it actually *matters* how music is made, whether >it was made with talent or not, or is it the *end result* that matters? >Coz i don't give a shit how a piece of music was made if it's really >good music. > >-- >Ben Coffer >Hybrid Productions >http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/

O its over already..I was being an asshole for the fun of it:)....I guess RDJ and I do have something in common :) A. Mukerjee Vassar College Laws are like cobwebs, which may catch small flies, but let wasps and hornets break through. --Jonathan Swift

In a message dated 97-11-05 18:53:07 EST, you write: << Feel free not to like Aphex Twin. I know my wife hates him with a passion. But this criticism isn't just lame, it's also one that recurs on IDM frequently, and always gathers plenty of "put up or shut up" followups. >> Yes. And its funny because these people never put up; all they do is run there mouths like trolls. "If you know anything about music, you will see how lame rdj's music is." lsdjlksdj blech......whatever. Im tired of "lack of respect" and this "know-all attitude" that runs through the world. Did rdj analy rape you? Is this the reason you must bash his work? << Maybe I was too terse in my explanation. I meant that anyone with a LITTLE musical talent, that is, an ear for music can do it. I know I can, and that is not out of conceit, and there are COUNTLESS others who can do it alot better. My point is that HE's not one of them He is where he is because of the usual - being at the right time at the right place. For those of you who have never touched a keyboard, go try one..take a lessen in sequencing; the mystery will be taken out of his work and those like it.

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If RDJ is total crap, then who do respect from the word of idm/techno? piece

sorry A.M.P...

quoted 1 line Well heres the recipe to write IZ-US:

>Well heres the recipe to write IZ-US:

i need a good laugh, carry on...

quoted 4 lines 1. Get a decent synth with symphonic pads. Use any string/modifed string

>1. Get a decent synth with symphonic pads. Use any string/modifed string >sound. >Roland series keyboards are good for this (jd800,jp8000,etc) as well >as Korgs (m1,01/w,etc)

Yeah yeah, sure sure.. i think you've completely missed the point of what the work of aphex twin and countless others is about, but carry on...

quoted 3 lines 3. Go to the store and buy a sample CD. "Wicked loops" and "remix" are

>3. Go to the store and buy a sample CD. "Wicked loops" and "remix" are >two CDS with decent loops. See, ya dont even need a drum machine anymoe >:)...

if this is a joke, please forgive me - i haven't got it, and really do think you're absolutely stupid.

quoted 2 lines 5 Sequence those chords and place a drum track with that loop endless

>5 Sequence those chords and place a drum track with that loop endless >repeating.

you sound as if you think a repeating loop is something bad.

quoted 2 lines 6. If you have cubase, run some effects such as reverb, delay for some

>6. If you have cubase, run some effects such as reverb, delay for some >fun.

oh yeah, just twiddle those knobs

quoted 1 line Makes for a catchy song. For larger parties just ultiply proportions :)!

>Makes for a catchy song. For larger parties just ultiply proportions :)!

yep yep yep. fucking rubbish. in your next idm post i suppose you'll reveal how to build the sydney opera house by putting bricks on top of each other, and how to make your own pc by soldering a few chips together.

quoted 1 line On an Asr-10 keyboard/sampler, you could do it in minutes. Literally.

>On an Asr-10 keyboard/sampler, you could do it in minutes. Literally.

so by tomorrow morning my mailbox should be completely filled with your mp3 files. if, as i so heavily suspect, you really are talking a load of bollocks, then i will mail you back an mp3 of myself laughing at your 2-dimensional effort. if, on the other hand, you actually do have an idea, and can produce music with the sonic depth, cohesiveness and character of an aphex twin record, then i will immediately sign you to my label - and both of us can make a great deal of money.

quoted 1 line THe real joke for me is not his oh-so-intelligent pokes at pop culture,

>THe real joke for me is not his oh-so-intelligent pokes at pop culture,

now back up here a little. in what interview, in what article has richard james EVER said what his music was about? what the fuck do you know about the motivations for him or anybody else making music?

quoted 2 lines The big joke is that he is laughing at the idiots who spend their

> The big joke is that he is laughing at the idiots who spend their >life analyzing him.

some of us just enjoy listening to his music. you know, we are allowed to like this guy's music without being called wankers by someone who is so obviously more 'underground' than us! ;-)

quoted 4 lines Reminds me of the old Mad magazine skit "You know

>Reminds me of the old Mad magazine skit "You know >you're sad when....you spend hours analyzing the smudge on the new album >cover of your favorite band, only to find it was a bit of peanut butter >from the sandwich you were eating."

well, i'd like to say this - You know you're deaf when you think an aphex record consists of a synthesiser, a drum loop and a reverb. now come on, you could have sent me 3 tracks in the time it took you to read this... cheerio! np - neonlicht - kraftwerk

siliconvortex writes:

quoted 2 lines if, on the other hand, you actually do have an idea, and can produce music

> if, on the other hand, you actually do have an idea, and can produce music > with the sonic depth, cohesiveness and character of an aphex twin record,

considering that i don't respect his depth/cohesiveness/etc at all, that shouldn't be hard. you can judge me next week when my CD goes on sale in the UK (barring yet more unforeseen delays from the distribution channel). -- Jon Drukman jsd@gamespot.com SpotMedia Communications This calls for a very special blend of psychology and extreme violence.