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2003-03-11 22:56John Hager RE: [idm] Indie Ethics
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2003-03-11 22:56John Hager>>> John Hager 03/11/03 05:53PM >>> >Sure, it's theft if that is what the law says theft i
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RE: [idm] Indie Ethics
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quoted 2 lines John Hager 03/11/03 05:53PM >>>>>> John Hager 03/11/03 05:53PM >>> >Sure, it's theft if that is what the law says theft is.
theft was theft long before laws were written.
quoted 1 line That doesn't mean that the law isn't a sham>That doesn't mean that the law isn't a sham
oh now laws are a sham ? easy to say when they don't work in your favor. perhaps you'd rather live somewhere where there aren't laws, then you might think differently.
quoted 2 lines supported by parties trying to influence>supported by parties trying to influence >how the law is written and applied for their own benefit.
laws are not just written for the benefit of those whom pen them. not to mention the people whom write them are expected to adhere to them too.
quoted 1 line You are taking for granted the concept of intellectual property.>You are taking for granted the concept of intellectual property.
Copyright laws didn't
quoted 1 line even exist until a few centuries ago. Do you honestly see no>even exist until a few centuries ago. Do you honestly see no
difference
quoted 1 line between appropriating a physical object claimed by someone else and an>between appropriating a physical object claimed by someone else and an
idea? oh i get it, mp3's aren't copies of music that were made with an financial investment, there just non physical idea's.
quoted 2 lines How did any artist create his work? You think he hasn't>How did any artist create his work? You think he hasn't >appropriated the ideas of others?
i can only assume you mean sampling. that's really too circumstantial to argue. some artists make their own samples, some use license free samples, some sample others, if they do, that's a whole separate issue to downloading mp3's.
quoted 3 lines You are accepting a construction of>You are accepting a construction of >reality imposed upon you without criticism. >Way to go, sucker.
i'm a sucker because i don't criticize copyright laws ? ok whatever
quoted 2 lines I should copyright intelligence and sell it.>I should copyright intelligence and sell it. >God knows I'd make a shitload of money off you.
well at least i'm an intelligent sucker. thanks for the complement. john -----Original Message----- From: John Hager [mailto:HagerJW@Healthall.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:03 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Indie Ethics oh for chist sake pirating, file sharing, downloading, swapping who gives a flying f**k what the RIAA calls it... if it's not properly authorized, it's STEALING, PERIOD! it doesn't matter if it's greedy, rich, butt-heads like Metallica, or some starving indie artist. pirate, according to Webster's, by definition means: One who makes use of or reproduces the work of another without authorization. which accurately describes the unlicenced manufacture of hit records for retail AND mp3 sharing/downloading. john --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org