quoted 39 lines To: kurt <supine@bway.net>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
> To: kurt <supine@bway.net>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
> From: zim200@is7.nyu.edu (zachary)
> Subject: Re: [idm] detatched:inst. vs vocal
> Message-Id: <v02140b00b5225b236194@[128.122.93.168]>
>
> >One period of music that I think is very
> interesting and one could
> >probably learn >a lot from occurred in the very
> early 20th century, when
> >composers who had >come up on late-Romantic music
> (arguably the most
> >intensely emotional >music) began transforming
> themselves into radical
> >modernists. In most cases, >the composers didn't
> shift over night, and
> >there are a lot of strange and >interesting pieces
> that lie somewhere in
> >between. (Oh, stuff like Schoenberg's >first
> Chamber Symphony).
>
> word. i think we can parallel this discussion to the
> early 20th century,
> and see ourselves on a similar plane of development
> presently with IDM. i
> think that while schoenberg suspended a tonal center
> and while the
> futurists/varese/cage began seeing ANY sound as
> musical, eventually, these
> ideas evolved to include atonal/noisy sections of
> pieces... we eventually
> used a similar (if not the same) aesthetic to
> construct more "accessible"
> music... from musique concrete, people started
> fucking around in the studio
> (look at the beach boys for christ's sake!), and
> they were making really
> pretty music! (not to say that reich isn't cool, but
> i'd rather hear "pet
> sounds" than "come out"!)quoted 11 lines anyway, i think that IDM (for the most part, anyway)
> anyway, i think that IDM (for the most part, anyway)
> might be in that
> schoenberg/futurist stage. sure, there are a lot of
> people using consonant
> melodies, etc., but i feel like the sheer amount of
> posts about this thread
> might mean some feel IDM can be more organic? maybe?
> for those of us who
> feel detached, maybe we feel the music will progress
> to encompass a human
> element?
I agree with much of this. I really like the ideas
that Reich, Cage, Riley etc. came up with, but their
sounds really bug me (although early Reich material
like 'Come Out' has a sampled grit that Glass lacks
imho). Much of their repetition pieces trip away and
build the musical structure into something different
sounding by the middle of it. But I can't get past the
sounds that make it feel too acedemic (visions of all
the poured concrete universities they were building at
the time), where I don't have that problem with modern
electronics. I would say that IDM (as one of it's
aspects) has built on these structures and created
more human music.
I think that experiments with all the different tonal
scales and automatic methods of writing killed
classical music (If anyone follows modern composers
pls post their names [tho I guess a figure like
Gorecki is popular and respected and is classical).
Stravinsky's 'Sacre De Printemps' (one of the
highlights of 20th C music) causing a riot when it was
first produced proves that people were actually
following this music. Now everybody's going to see
Beethoven's greatest hits. Interesting how completely
things have changed. Music used to be made by
"Composers", now Aphex can make noisy, melodic,
challenging, ambient music etc. etc. without any
pressure to follow trends (or patrons). Definitely
technology helping humans imo.
One way things will go in the future is people pulling
off longer works (not just making them). But at
exactly the same time IDM will also be about shorter
works (someone will [or already has] produced an album
of 45 1 min noisy bits [don't know if Thurston Moore's
counts]). Music seems to be evolving all at the same
time with the different genres all flourishing (or
not) independantly. There is no pressure to contribute
to the radio genre because the radio is all about
money and advertising. But it gives aspiring composers
any range of music to contribute to, (or something not
done before that cuts across all genres). I guess
there was pressure in the past for people of a
community to compose music for that specific
community. Now kids in Mongolia can create Hip Hop. :)
Peace
Rich
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