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1997-09-11 18:34Pete Ashdown (idm) Electric Highway
├─ 1997-09-11 18:55Daniel Kapusta Re: (idm) Electric Highway
└─ 1997-09-11 19:41Gil Yaker Re: (idm) Electric Highway
1997-09-11 19:33benny blanco Re: (idm) Electric Highway
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1997-09-11 18:34Pete AshdownThe Electric Highway tour rolled into Slit Lick City last night, and I forked the $15 to s
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Pete Ashdown
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Intelligent Dance Music
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Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:34:59 -0600 (MDT)
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(idm) Electric Highway
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The Electric Highway tour rolled into Slit Lick City last night, and I forked the $15 to spend my Wednesday evening with teenagers. It was rather strange to see a sponsored rave. There were a couple of grease monkeys sitting in the B.F. Goodrich truck with piles of tires and turned off monitors. They stared blankly at me and my friend, but made no effort to pitch us tires, I'm sure all they really wanted was to go home. Looked like some CEO either had offspring running the tour, or someone got suckered. There were plenty of brand new tire-piles around the location that had been mutated into different forms of sculpture. Recycle, save the planet, and chuck our painted tires in the trash at the end of the tour. The hall was half filled with people. I'd say maybe 1,000 showed up over the course of the night. What was odd to me was the fact that this was a fairly richly produced rave, but it lacked any form of energy. Big watt laser, mucho Intellibeams, professional lighting, Mr. Video mixer and four projectors, yet the lightning storm rolling over the Great Salt Lake made for a better show. I guess it felt really canned. I had no idea Fluke was going to play, so it made a nice surprise. They cranked out Atom Bomb and ran around the stage trying to get a reaction from the crowd. It reminded me of Underworld at Organic in more than just stage antics. They sound a whole lot like Underworld as well. Yet for all their work, it just lacked passion. Two wankers on keyboards with two yankers running around with mikes. Hand me a pillow. Doc Martin DJ'd after Fluke. My friend and I talked about how we found it amazing that Doc keeps DJ'ing, and wondered if he finds any of it exciting anymore. We came to the eventual conclusion that he is doing well at it, and doesn't want to leave that. We also wondered what job skills professional DJ's excel at. Crystal Method was next up, and I was interested to see how they would pull off a performance. Unfortunately, it ended up sounding like an hour long remix of "Chemical Beats". I may be getting more cynical about live electronic music, but it is starting to rub me in the wrong way. Performers have got to understand that learing over a keyboard, or tilting it on its stand is just not a show. "Wow!! Did you see him twist that oscillator and then jump? That's ENTERTAINMENT!" I think we have yet to see a performer who is as dynamic as their music. Orbital, Orb, and Meat Beat Manifesto all come close, but are far from the standard. It may never reach excellence. It is said that audiences ripped apart concert halls after works of Strauss debuted. This was the 19th century. In the 20th century, our performers are content to rile audiences into fits of hopping. Where's the passion? Where's the form? Where's the beef? I want to see someone perform electronic music in a completely live manner, upside-down, while working the audience into a riot over their submission to corporate America. I want to see something with substance and passion. People have long stated that electronic music is cold, now I'm beginning to understand what they mean. Maybe I just need to see Consolidated again. Watching Crystal Method live was like watching live programming... "One night only! Richard Stallman upgrades emacs!" "Man, did you see that? He unrolled the loop! Look how he yanks his keyboard around. That is REALLY COOL." The last concert I went to was Gwar. At least this provided some laughs and creativity over what I witnessed last night. Now that I'm forking over the dough to see Big Top, I can only hope that Eat Static will provide some light at the end of the tunnel.
1997-09-11 18:55Daniel Kapustapashdown wrote... >Crystal Method was next up, and I was interested to see how they would
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Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:55:11 -0400
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Re: (idm) Electric Highway
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(idm) Electric Highway
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pashdown wrote...
quoted 3 lines Crystal Method was next up, and I was interested to see how they would pull>Crystal Method was next up, and I was interested to see how they would pull >off a performance. Unfortunately, it ended up sounding like an hour long >remix of "Chemical Beats".
i think vegas sounds like what i expected from the chemicals in a follow up (sophmore jinx) record.
quoted 1 line Maybe I just need to see Consolidated again.>Maybe I just need to see Consolidated again.
consolidated is one of the few acts that has gotten me onto the floor and i'm usually one of the folks you (not pashdown in particular but idmers in general) would all call a wanker that doesn't dance. onnow: reload, event horizon dan.....
1997-09-11 19:41Gil YakerBut what do you want? There is no way to make live electronic music especially exciting fo
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Gil Yaker
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Intelligent Dance Music
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Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:41:52 -0500 (CDT)
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Re: (idm) Electric Highway
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(idm) Electric Highway
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But what do you want? There is no way to make live electronic music especially exciting for everyone. Well obviously you can't use the rock paradigm of performance because all the motions that musicians use to play the music are not large and energetic-- the machines make the music, not the people. So what about other music? Well is classical that exciting to watch? Not especially. The conductor is "grooving" to his or her orchestra the same way a producer moves and reacts while tweaking knobs. The only difference is that in a symphony hall you get a comfortable seat. Live jazz is pretty much the same thing. The biggest draws are the ambience and the acoustics. Err..also the social situation. The more you desire a great stage show, the closer you approach performance art. And of course at a rave or whatnot, the performance is the audience...dancing. So I personally think it's futile to look for a great electronic performance. I havn't seen too many live sets, but of the few I have seen, none stick out because of the show - only because of the music. .Gil On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, Pete Ashdown wrote:
quoted 30 lines I may be getting more cynical about live electronic music, but it is> I may be getting more cynical about live electronic music, but it is > starting to rub me in the wrong way. Performers have got to understand > that learing over a keyboard, or tilting it on its stand is just not a > show. "Wow!! Did you see him twist that oscillator and then jump? That's > ENTERTAINMENT!" I think we have yet to see a performer who is as dynamic > as their music. Orbital, Orb, and Meat Beat Manifesto all come close, but > are far from the standard. It may never reach excellence. > > It is said that audiences ripped apart concert halls after works of Strauss > debuted. This was the 19th century. In the 20th century, our performers > are content to rile audiences into fits of hopping. Where's the passion? > Where's the form? Where's the beef? I want to see someone perform > electronic music in a completely live manner, upside-down, while working > the audience into a riot over their submission to corporate America. I > want to see something with substance and passion. People have long stated > that electronic music is cold, now I'm beginning to understand what they > mean. Maybe I just need to see Consolidated again. > > Watching Crystal Method live was like watching live programming... > > "One night only! Richard Stallman upgrades emacs!" > > "Man, did you see that? He unrolled the loop! Look how he yanks his > keyboard around. That is REALLY COOL." > > The last concert I went to was Gwar. At least this provided some laughs > and creativity over what I witnessed last night. Now that I'm forking over > the dough to see Big Top, I can only hope that Eat Static will provide some > light at the end of the tunnel. >
__ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ gil yaker / orbital@hazmat.com
1997-09-11 19:33benny blancoPete Ashdown wrote: > > > Crystal Method was next up, and I was interested to see how they
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benny blanco
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idm , Pete Ashdown
Date:
Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:33:15 -0400
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Re: (idm) Electric Highway
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Pete Ashdown wrote:
quoted 7 lines Crystal Method was next up, and I was interested to see how they would pull> > > Crystal Method was next up, and I was interested to see how they would pull > off a performance. Unfortunately, it ended up sounding like an hour long > remix of "Chemical Beats". > >
but still not as good.
quoted 2 lines Watching Crystal Method live was like watching live programming...> Watching Crystal Method live was like watching live programming... >
it's more like watching a couple of lazy people miming and making you think they are doing everything compeletly live and rock and roll, when it all it really comes down to is that it is exactly the same show in every city performed exactly the same way to the nth beat cause the whole dang thing is on a DAT. live my ass, bennyblanco