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1997-08-11 21:17Re: (idm) [review] Mask 2 (complete with the guessing game)
├─ 1997-08-11 21:42daniel Re: (idm) [review] Mask 2 (complete with the guessing game)
│ └─ 1997-08-11 15:14Emanuel Borsboom Re: (idm) mp3s, realaudio, audio compression
└─ 1997-08-12 01:15Re: (idm) [review] Mask 2 (complete with the guessing game)
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1997-08-11 21:17MultSanta@aol.comIn a message dated 97-08-11 15:47:38 EDT, daniel@eliteware.com (daniel) writes: << If it h
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In a message dated 97-08-11 15:47:38 EDT, daniel@eliteware.com (daniel) writes: << If it had been done in RA at just 3 megs it would not have been close to cd quality. >> yes, but a record isn't supposed to be cd quality, now is it? mult. http://members.aol.com/MultSanta2
1997-08-11 21:42danielOn Mon, 11 Aug 1997 MultSanta@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 97-08-11 15:47:38 EDT, d
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On Mon, 11 Aug 1997 MultSanta@aol.com wrote:
quoted 8 lines In a message dated 97-08-11 15:47:38 EDT, daniel@eliteware.com (daniel)> In a message dated 97-08-11 15:47:38 EDT, daniel@eliteware.com (daniel) > writes: > > << If it had been done in RA at just 3 megs it would not have been close to > cd quality. >> > > yes, but a record isn't supposed to be cd quality, now is it? >
uhmmmm well a record isn't supposed to be radio/telephone quality is it now? When you record a 12 inch and mp3 it you are sampling it. The more samples the more it will sound like the original record. The more samples the larger the file. So if you sample something and encode at a very high quality it will be close to how the original sounded. By your method I would be receiving a file that sounded like the record being played through a bad radio station or even worse through a phone. The sound quality of an mp3 is close to that of a cd <which have a high sampling rate (44.1k per second to be exact)>. So the mp3 is close to how the record really sounded. Note I am not saying that mp3 uses sample rates in the traditional sense. A dual isdn ra file can come close to cd quality as well. You may want to pick up a book on how recordings are done. -dan
1997-08-11 15:14Emanuel BorsboomOn Mon, 11 Aug 1997, daniel wrote: > The sound quality of an mp3 is close to that of a cd
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On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, daniel wrote:
quoted 4 lines The sound quality of an mp3 is close to that of a cd <which have a high> The sound quality of an mp3 is close to that of a cd <which have a high > sampling rate (44.1k per second to be exact)>. So the mp3 is close > to how the record really sounded. Note I am not saying that mp3 uses > sample rates in the traditional sense.
Actually, MP3 does use sample rates in the traditional sense. Most MP3s use the same sample rate (44100 khz) and bittage (16 bits/sample) as a CD. The lame old way of of data reduction was reducing the sample-rate and/or bittage (so basically it's just throwing out all frequencies above a certain threshhold). The way MP3, ATRAC, and (I think) RealAudio works is by selectively removing frequencies we can't hear anyway (because of psychoacoustical effects such as masking, where a frequency that's a lot quieter than a nearby frequency is ignored by the brain). Most MP3s are encoded at 112 kbps (because that's the best the unregistered shareware encoder will do), while 44.1 khz/16 bit/2 channel uncompressed data from a CD is 1411.2 kbps, which is (approx.) 12:1 compression, so for every frequency in the original, 11 have been removed for the MP3. For some reason, 128 kbps MP3s sound quite noticably better even though their compression ratio isn't much lower. An MP3 with the same bit rate as a RealAudio file will sound better than the RealAudio, because MP3 uses a better (much slower) algorithm for compression. ATRAC is supposed to be even better than MP3, but it's proprietry and there aren't any software encoders/decoders (it's what MiniDisc recorders use.. I just had to mention MiniDisc somewhere :-)) For speech you can use vocoding for amazing compression ratios with very little loss in clarity. That's actually the original reason vocoders were invented. Their use as a musical instrument is just a side effect. onNow: Exist Dance - Transmitting From Heaven (there was a documentary on the (Canadian) Discovery Channel last night called Synthetic Pleasures that used lots of the tracks from this comp.) By the way, I'm starting to like the new Jega a lot better now. -- Emanuel Borsboom -- Victoria, B.C., Canada -- "complete with surface noise" [Home Page] http://zerius.com/manny/ [Java Synth] http://zerius.com/synth/ [Vocoder] http://zerius.com/vocoder/
1997-08-12 01:15sanvara@gte.netAt 05:17 PM 8/11/97 -0400, you wrote: > ><< If it had been done in RA at just 3 megs it wo
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At 05:17 PM 8/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
quoted 4 lines << If it had been done in RA at just 3 megs it would not have been close to> ><< If it had been done in RA at just 3 megs it would not have been close to > cd quality. >> > >yes, but a record isn't supposed to be cd quality, now is it?
Heh. Maybe not, but a low quality RA file is like "eaten by the tape player five times, cassette quality". =) T.