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1997-07-07 21:29(idm) Kakutani response
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1997-07-09 16:40Christopher Fahey RE: (idm) Kakutani response
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1997-07-07 21:29KaisrSolze@aol.comHere's my letter to the Times, still not sent yet. I think I need to edit it down, because
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Here's my letter to the Times, still not sent yet. I think I need to edit it down, because letters this long don't even stand half a chance of getting printed. Here goes. ******************* Three points in regard to Michiko Kakutani's article on techno. First, her criticisms can just as easily be applied to all forms of pop music. Repetitive and formulaic? Look at rock based around three power chords or hiphop sold on a good hook and a nice voice. Little else but studio wizardry? Most pop bands have"superproducers,": Just compare the album to the live version. Look at what the Dust Brothers have done with Hanson or even with Beck. At least with techno, the artists are their own producers. Second, Kakutani's criticism of the "hive mind" falls flat as well. For example, the photo accompanying her column is taken from a Spin article which focused on how human today's techno artists are. Granted, there are mindlessly assaultive genres and anonymous artists. However, groups like Orbital compose personal, almost symphonic pieces; artists like Richard D. James (Aphex Twin) and Tricky have as many personality quirks as the brothers from Oasis. And regarding her criticism of rave culture--it was originally about escaping an oppressive society and enjoying "peace, love, unity, and respect." Sounds a lot like Kakutani's hippie ideal. Anyway, I seriously doubt that the stereotypical drugged-out hippie was a political leader in his spare time. And the apoliticality of ravers is more a reflection of our society than anything else--at my NYC high school I'd be hard-pressed to find anyone I could call an activist. Finally, on Kakutani's criticism of techno as a musical form--why is the instrument an issue? We've gone from harpsichord to piano, from acoustic to electric guitar--now we're using electronics. All programmed music means is that it's harder to play live or with feeling. However, really good artists overcome those obstacles, and audiences appreciate it. Regarding DJs--with almost one hundred years of recorded music, isn't it about time someone recombined recordings in new ways and got credit for it as artistic expression? Sam
1997-07-08 20:10Ben CofferIn message <970707172753_-1829699095@emout03.mail.aol.com>, KaisrSolze@aol.com writes >ele
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In message <970707172753_-1829699095@emout03.mail.aol.com>, KaisrSolze@aol.com writes
quoted 3 lines electric guitar--now we're using electronics. All programmed music means is>electric guitar--now we're using electronics. All programmed music means is >that it's harder to play live or with feeling. However, really good artists >overcome those obstacles, and audiences appreciate it. Regarding DJs--with
Here would be a good place for an example of overcoming obstacles (i.e. Squarepusher, with his mad bass playing, sense of humour on stage) -- Ben Coffer Hybrid Productions http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/
1997-07-09 16:40Christopher FaheyI can only think of one appropriate response: Thank you, New York Times, for condemning el
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I can only think of one appropriate response: Thank you, New York Times, for condemning electronic music as "mindless" and "immature." You have confirmed its coolness once and for all. The only way you could have helped electronic music more is if you called it "shameful" or "unholy". If you really want to respond to Kakutani's article, I would recommend against bringing up ANY specific examples of contemporary electronic acts into the argument. It's obvious that the author and her editors don't know *anything at all* about electronic music, so your arguments are going to fall on deaf ears. She's a closed-minded hippy classic rawker or something and there's no reasoning with people like that! Just tell her she's a prude. Better yet, we should all just tell her to "Fuck off!" and leave the pretentious pseudo-intellectual theoretical arguments to DJ Spooky. She appears to enough of a fucking idiot that if she talked to Spooky for an hour she would start to love electronic music. In dismal, soulless ivory towers like the NY Times, DJ Spooky is our #1 most effective spokesperson. Those dorks love his schtick! -CF