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From:
Peter Becker
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Mon, 23 Jun 2003 08:02:06 -0400
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[idm] Monolake/Snap/Schooly D
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~now -thats- a varied email header~ Sorry for those that know ( I'm behind on the "in the know" curve...) but Monolake's Mutek show is up and its phenomenal. http://www.monolake.de/index.html Andrew Duke mentioned Snap...a guilty pleasure. If -anyone- has the "Power" 12" with the -Latin- version on it, check it out. I haven't seen this in many years. Its a killer. Its a B side on -some- copy of "The Power". dope...Anyone with a copy of this that'd like to dupe me a copy, get me offlist. I can work a tasty trade if you like. On the Schooly D front. I agree with Andrew and Derek on the demerits of looping and sampling others work. Its pretty criminal whats been done in mainstream Hip Hop. THAT BEING SAID.... Keep in mind that the looping and sampling of Schooly D and Mantronix ( or whomever ) is not the looping of said musicians, its the looping and sampling of the musicians that -they- are stealing material from. "Saturday Night" ( glad to see it finally got a mention here in the Hip Hop thread we've had...finally) is largely comprised of Parliament/Funkadelic/Clinton and James Brown/ JBs loops. There's other stuff in there too. Awesome LP. So your'e not really copying Schooly D, your'e copying who they're copying...Its like when Public Enemy, during "Nation of Millions" tried to claim they "owned" loops that were not even theirs to begin with. and many cans of worms are now opening, sorry Peter np: http://www.monolake.de/index.html From: andrewduke@canada.com Schooly D is another originator whose beats are mercilessly sampled without credit, especially his "Saturday Night". You could play two bars from "Saturday Night" for the average person and--even if they had never heard of Schooly D--they would likely say, "hey, I've heard that beat before". If you take bits from songs and chop 'em up and come up with something that is new and not recognizable, that's one thing, but taking a couple of bars from Mantronix or Schooly D and looping them for the duration of the song such that it is blatantly obvious that you're just looping a bar or two from Mantronix or Schooly D all the way through your damn song--urgh, time for me to try to calm down. Andrew From: EggyToast <eggy@eggtastic.com> Subject: Re: [idm] re: Mantronix/Schooly D You mean, like how Puff Daddy et al made their/his entire career? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org