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From:
skism
To:
idm-l
Date:
Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:40:44 -0000
Subject:
RE: [idm] indie ethics
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So, do all you silly people who think breaking copyright laws = stealing (which it doesn't; because of both the meaning of the verb 'to steal' and the fact the laws regarding theft are not the same as the laws regarding copyright) think that second hand music shops should be illegal? Before I had the means to download rare/out of print items, second hand shops in London were the only place I could get them (and being from Dublin obviously restricted my ability to get them even further). The reason they are not illegal (with respect to copyright law) is that the original owner no longer possesses the item and (with respect to theft law) I've paid the shop for the product.... But wait!! I'm now in possession of a piece of music, and the artist hasn't been paid! This is exactly the same result we get when I download an album from soulseek. So according to you (the silly people) second hand record shops are morally indefensible. The reasoning behind copyright law is so full of logical inconsistencies it needs to be replaced.
quoted 2 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: c [mailto:c@scarcelight.com]
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quoted 3 lines every copy you download is the equivalent of what you would have otherwise purchased> > every copy you download is the equivalent of what you would have otherwise purchased > the bottom line is less physical copies sold. hurts the artist, and label.
No it's not; in the last month alone I've downloaded roughly 5CDR's worth of music... (Half of which has been from artists who are now dead btw). I wouldn't have had the money to purchase these items, so if I didn't download them I still wouldn't have bought them... I wouldn't have bought anything, because I have no money [ poor me :( ]. When I get the money, i'll probably spend around ?150 at warpmart, which should appease my guilty conscience for a while longer... I haven't actually bought a CD since November.
quoted 6 lines im an artist, and a very small one at that, and i saw where a guy was selling an mp3> im an artist, and a very small one at that, and i saw where a guy was selling an mp3 > copy of my cd (along with others) for money. not only was he wrong for copying it, > whoever bought it was wrong as well. > > im curious if the folks who are all for stealing artist and label music are musicians > or label owners themselves ?
First, I'll again point out your incorrect use of the word 'stealing' and then answer the question... I'm also a musician (but an even smaller one than you, I've yet to release a single track) but really wouldn't give a shit if anyone infringes my copyright as long as they don't make any money from it (in fact I probably wouldn't even copyright my work, just apply some alternative - someone posted something about this here recently). It would actually make me quite happy if I were to find out that 1000's of people had downloaded my (currently nonexistent) released music. skism... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org