my acid house can beat up your acid house
quoted 153 lines Just to put the story straight on some of the misinfo flying around
> > > > Just to put the story straight on some of the misinfo flying around
> > here,
> > > > GPO did not have any influence on the acid house scene. He very publicly
> > > > tried to jump the bandwagon a bit too late in the day and was extremely
> > > > unsuccessful.
>
> > > BULLSHIT on that! Time to seperate 'Signal' from 'Noiseloop'.
> > > Despite what else I may have offered in this thread, I *must* stand up
> > > for Gen here:
> > > PTV *more* than influenced the Acid House scene: they made *the* record
> > that kicked off the
> > > scene: "To All The Young People", with the Superman label (which pissed
> > off
> > > DC comics).
> > > Psychic TV were *very* much responsible for the start of Acid House in
> > > the UK *and* in the US.
>
>
> > The US scene was certainly not kicked off by GPO - that's probably the most
> > ridiculous thing I ever saw on the idmlist. Try telling that story to
> > Marshall Jefferson, Larry Heard, Todd Terry, Juan Atkins and many, many
> > others. The US media has a well-known history of supressing the influence of
> > black working-class music - please don't be taken in like that.
>
> That was *not* the same Acid House scene as the one being discussed:
> in fact, there was no Acid House scene there in Chicago or in Detroit,
> per se.
>
> Yes, the above-named individuals made excellent records that were
> intergral to the scene.
>
> But the energy and artistic expression present in
> Acid House Parties (which spawned 'raves')
> *were* indeed more a product of the conceptual efforts of
> GPO and PTV, than of those others.
>
> And I am in no way trying to down-play the others'
> importance.
>
> "It Is What It Is" and it ain't what you claim! ;)
>
> > In the UK it was kicked off by Paul Oakenfold(!) at a club called The Future
> > in the suburbs of Streatham, followed by Danny Rampling's Shoom.
>
> Yeah: ask ~them~ what record inspired ~them~ to start their nights.
>
> PTV - 'to all the young people'. They'll admit it, or else
> they'll play revisionist-history. They said so at the time:
> '87 and '88.
>
> Very soon
> > after there were a bunch of other nights like Spectrum and The Trip. There
> > was also one run by the guys from The Advent which I can't remember the name
> > of right now. This was all around 85-87.
>
> No way: none of those Acid nights were around til at best
> very late in '87. Show us a flyer from '85 or '86 for an
> 'Acid House Party'.
>
> Nuff said.
>
> > The Residents 'Kaw Liga' was huge because it
> > sounded just right in that scene - not because it was by The Residents.
>
> It sounded 'right' because it sounded like
> 'Billy Jean'. And it ~preyed~ brilliantly upon the concept
> of the wronged man. ;) Leave it to the Eyeballed Ones
> to have 'spotted' that. ;)
>
> The 'housey' 'kaw-liga' remixes didn't come out til '89.
>
> > Yeah I heard some rumour that Richard Norris and Evil Eddie Richards made
> > that awful album for him and maybe there's a reason they didn't put their
> > names to it.
>
> Richard Norris was under contract. And he and Evil Eddie never hid
> their involvement. Did you even read the NME at that time???
>
> >I think you're probably the first to quote it as one of their
> > proudest moments.
>
> Don't think so hard: it hurts your complexion. ;)
>
> > At the time record shops could sell just about anything
> > with an 'acid house remix' sticker on it but that one never seemed to leave
> > the shelves.
>
> Wow: 'sounds' like a description of a lot of IDM stuff today: doesn't sell:
> of course, it ~must~ suck if it doesn't sell.
>
> Say, isn't that Avril Lavigne the 'shit'? Wow. Great stuff:
> lots of people are buying it.
>
> > I really tried to like it myself as I was very much into acid
>
> Don't eat the brown acid: it'll turn you into a Tweety-Bird,
> Woodstock. ;)
>
> > and quite interested in ptv at the time but it was the most obvious cash-in
> > attempt I came across - it sounded totally fake to me. But each to his own,
> > I'm just giving you a perspective of someone who was around at the time.
>
> You got the same, dude: difference, apparently:
> I was playing those records 'out' at the time. ;) Where 'in' did you play them?
>
> > > Also I
> > > > believe he is completely anti-drug so the jacking up in an alleyway
> > fears
> > > > are likely to be groundless.
>
> > > Anti-drug: HaHaHa!!!!!
> > > You "believe" but you do not *know*.
> > > Gen was ~totally~ down with the lysergics. 'Blue Pyramid' ;)
>
> > Well someone else on the list has also put me straight on this. Around 87-88
> > I was involved in a band project with a guitarist from ptv (not fred
> > gianelli). He wouldn't even let me smoke a spliff at his house. He told me
> > he got that from Gen and it was an essential part of ptv (and s+m)
> > philosophy not to deaden or alter the senses artificially with drugs - they
> > wanted to get closer to reality.
>
> Another fool manipulated? ;)
>
> > > > I think it all became a bit marilyn manson for
> > > > the british.
>
> > > Irony???? Peter Christopherson directed Marilyn Manson videos. ;)
>
> > Gotta pay the bills somehow I suppose. You know they used to design album
> > covers for a living.
>
> Oh, god: "they": fuck that:
> you need to do some research:
>
> Peter Christopherson was a member of the Hipgnosis design
> team. Not 'they': Sleazy: that's ~it~.
>
> http://www.brainwashed.com/coil/info/peter.html
> Quote from the above-linked page:
>
> "Trying to hold back the revision of history is always a good thing."
>
> Perhaps GPO ~does~ fuck goats, but he ~did~ inspire many djs,
> both in the UK and the US, to play Chicago Acid and Detroit techno tracks, and to mix
> them with the PTV stuff, and the Woodentops (horrid, IMO),
> and 'Washing Machine', and Bang the Party, and so on, and so on:
> GPO introduced many of those people to Phuture's 11-minute classic,
> 'Acid Tracks', and subsequently made and released the Superman record,
> which was 'checked' by all of the hype acid djs in the UK and US in '87 and '88.
>
> Speaking from experience!!!!!! ;)
>
>
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