okay, I have to jump in here.
saying that fascism has it's good points is like saying that falling out of
an airplane without a parachute is adventurous. Sure, you enjoy the rush of
the breeze, the freedom of weightlessness and a beautiful view, but it all
ends with a big f*cking thump on your face at the end.
Fascism is an organizational system. Just like democracy is a way of
organizing political groups and just like logic is a way of organizing
rational thought. But, the problem with Fascism is that it's self-defeating.
It tends to death. Fascism fails because it doesn't accept reality...i.e. it
doesn't accept that people are independent to think, act and breath, HOWEVER
THEY WISH. It also doesn't accept that people have feelings of ownership
about their own lives...this is a problem because, well whaddya know, people
DO have these feelings of ownership about their own lives. So it's not ever
going to work. Therefore, as a practical system, it is useless because it
doesn't do what it's supposed to do. And if an organizational system of this
nature is useless in practice, then it's not worth the 1s and 0s I'm
spending on this email.
If you don't buy that argument, that's fine...go read about it some more. If
you decide to think about it, you'll realize just how totally inappropriate
it is to talk about the 'good points of fascism'.
But...to address your specific good points:
1. Uniting the people isn't good or bad. It is simply uniting. In 1861, one
half of the United States was united in the belief that black men and women
imported from Africa should be owned by white men and women in the Southern
USA. The other half, of course, was united against this belief. Well, it
seems that when you have two halves of the same country united to opposite
sides of the same belief...well, they kill each other then. Read your Human
Being User's Manual and you'll discover on page three that, and I quote
here, "Dying is bad. You should make an effort not to die and you should not
cause others to die." Uniting people is only as good as the cause which
unites them.
2. Fascism cannot control the economy. If you study it a bit, the current
economic boom in the US will show you just how little "good economies" are
the result of government intervention. If that doesn't convince you, look at
Syria or a hundred other government controlled economies around the world.
Economies are strong only when they are free.
3. Pride in oneself? Nope, sorry. Pride in the nation? Yes...this is called
nationalism. For example, Nazis (think: slaughtered Jews). Romans (think:
slaughtered Gauls). The Great British Empire (think: slaughtered Indians,
Africans, Spanish...oh, what a long list this one is).
4. The trains run on time...perhaps. But there's more to a good political
system than unhappy, soul-starved, body-starved, freezing-ass-cold
nationalistic masses riding on a train that arrives on time.
---brian
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-----Original Message-----
From: laerm [mailto:laerm@soulfood.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 10:50 AM
To: idm@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [idm] simply a moron ? no, one who has an independent
thought.
On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, philippe petit wrote:
quoted 2 lines what could the good points be, unless maybe for you to try to be> what could the good points be, unless maybe for you to try to be
> noticed, provocative... or simply a moron ?
well, some of fascism's good points:
- unites the people against a common enemy
- brings about a strong economy
- instills a sense of pride in oneself
- and the trains run on time
and some of intolerance's:
- makes your life easier by eliminating people to care about
- gets you lots of exciting friends
- it's a good motivator
so, little philip, even bad things have their good parts. it all depends
on your priorities.
(you didn't think i actually meant that intolerance is great and we need
more of it, did you? you must use the bad things as a tool when you need
to.)
micah stupak /"\
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